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Do You Bid?

Poll: Do You Bid? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you bid 2C?

  1. I would bid 2C over 1D, 1H or 1S (20 votes [74.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.07%

  2. I would bid 2C over 1D only (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  3. I would never bid 2C (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  4. Other (3 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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Posted 2011-April-14, 22:47



Everyone red at IMPS. S deals and opens either 1D/1H/1S (opps playing 2/1). Do you bid with this hand?

Does your answer change at different vulnerabilities or if it is matchpoints?
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Posted 2011-April-15, 00:03

Over 1d/1h/1sp i would bid 3 cl,to aapply
pressure to opps my partner will be relaxed.
a waste of time and space to bid 2cl
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Posted 2011-April-15, 07:33

Perhaps I am a chicken but I think I pass. Quite possibly our best chance for a plus is defending. I will listen to those who say I am nuts, but pass is my choice.
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:00

I'd pass all

Even if i considered bidding, 1NT looks better than 2♣ to me.
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:02

View Postfuburules3, on 2011-April-14, 22:47, said:



Everyone red at IMPS. S deals and opens either 1D/1H/1S (opps playing 2/1). Do you bid with this hand?

Does your answer change at different vulnerabilities or if it is matchpoints?


I will bid. Yes, it's dangerous, but I'll rather lose from non-bidding. Maybe I'll have hesitation only if vulnerability are red vs green. The suit is too good to be passed along with these side values. Vs 1H opening and if we are in green I can bid 1nt as well.
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:05

View Postfuburules3, on 2011-April-14, 22:47, said:



Everyone red at IMPS. S deals and opens either 1D/1H/1S (opps playing 2/1). Do you bid with this hand?

Does your answer change at different vulnerabilities or if it is matchpoints?


I will bid. Yes, it's dangerous, but I'll rather lose from non-bidding. Maybe I'll have hesitation only if vulnerability are red vs green. The suit is too good to be passed along with these side values. Vs 1H opening and if we are in green I can bid 1nt as well.
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:13

I'd bid 2♣ over 1♦/1♥/1♠

The leading directing value is enormous
Forcing LHO to come in at the two level is incredibly valuable
My trumps are solid enough that I am not worried about declaring a doubled contract at the two level
My defense is solid enough that I can pass if partner whacks the opponents
How does 2♣ not describe my hand?

I suppose that a case can be made to double a 1♠ opening bid...
This might make it harder for the opponents to find a 4-4 heart fit than 2♣.
However, I prefer the overcall
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:25

2♣ over all of them, and especially over 1♦. When I close my eyes and reopen them I still have AKQxx and scattered outside values. Otherwise see what hrothgar wrote.
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:48

View Postfuburules3, on 2011-April-14, 22:47, said:



Everyone red at IMPS. S deals and opens either 1D/1H/1S (opps playing 2/1). Do you bid with this hand?

Does your answer change at different vulnerabilities or if it is matchpoints?



2♣ ALWAYS.
You have to tell partner you have opening values with a decent 5card ♣.....
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Posted 2011-April-15, 08:55

View Postkayin801, on 2011-April-15, 08:25, said:

2♣ over all of them, and especially over 1♦.


Yep, 2♣ with this hand over any 1-bid except clubs. 2♣/1♦ even with less. When responder (LHO) has only one major, things often work out badly for them after a 2♣ overcall.
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Posted 2011-April-15, 11:56

I would double 1S, and pass the others.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 03:57

Bid 2C, although the shape is bad for 2 level overcall(5-3-3-2) the suit quality can compensate it.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 21:56

So whats the Damage if one bids 3 clubs-who is in trouble.
we need openers hand the 1 d bid-assume its a min 4 card suit.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 22:35

View Postpirate22, on 2011-April-17, 21:56, said:

So whats the Damage if one bids 3 clubs-who is in trouble.
we need openers hand the 1 d bid-assume its a min 4 card suit.

What's the harm? How do play 3♣ here? If it's weak, you may miss a game--how can you be sure that it's their hand when many 2/1 players will open a flat 11 or a shapely 9? (Not saying that's good strategy, but it happens.) If it's intermediate, maybe the solid 5 carder will make up for the sixth trump, but the shape is poor. In either case, why are you worrying about shutting them out? 2♣ over anything but 1♣. I'm interested in JLOGIC's reasons for pass. He is a much better player than me and his idea sounds interesting.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 23:46

I don't know about Justin's logic (and he is no doubt a better player than me - he would be happy to tell you if I didn't) but I try and avoid bidding 2minor overcalls with weak no trump hands. Especially vulnerable.
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Posted 2011-April-18, 00:11

What's the matter with you guys? Are you afraid of what???

2♣ in all cases.
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Posted 2011-April-19, 09:59

I would never bid 2♣
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