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Posted 2011-April-01, 05:48

IMP's on BBO

Lead is T: T-Q-J-4
Declarer next plays from dummy (agree?): 2-5-K-7
How (and why) would you continue from here?
Thanks,
Koen
(I underlined the card that takes the trick; bold the card of declarer: is there any standard convention on how this should be done?)
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Posted 2011-April-01, 06:44

It looks to me that your best chance is to hope that RHO has the A and one of the minors to be breaking. Cash s discarding s and play another from dummy.
Even if do not break you next establish a for your ninth trick before opponents can take 5. Likewise if are 5-2 you should still make if break.
This assumes that either s break 5-1 and at least one honor is with RHO or if are 4-2 that RHO has the A.
You have to go up with the A if opponents continue with .
The alternative of playing for s to break and playing next a low from hand is unlikely to work since opponents will probably try to establish 3 tricks, unless the Q is on or either opponent had Ax.
Of course LHO may have ducked the A.

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Posted 2011-April-01, 08:23

 rhm, on 2011-April-01, 06:44, said:

It looks to me that your best chance is to hope that RHO has the A and one of the minors to be breaking. Cash s discarding s and play another from dummy.
Even if do not break you next establish a for your ninth trick before opponents can take 5. Likewise if are 5-2 you should still make if break.
This assumes that either s break 5-1 and at least one honor is with RHO or if are 4-2 that RHO has the A.
You have to go up with the A if opponents continue with .
The alternative of playing for s to break and playing next a low from hand is unlikely to work since opponents will probably try to establish 3 tricks, unless the Q is on or either opponent had Ax.
Of course LHO may have ducked the A.
Rainer Herrmann

Thanks Rainer.
Don't you always need the Heart trick if RHO has Club Axx?
I did run the spade from dummy (RHO not following), hoping that I could end-play LHO some time in spade for trick 9. How bad was that?
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Posted 2011-April-01, 11:48

 kgr, on 2011-April-01, 08:23, said:

Thanks Rainer.
Don't you always need the Heart trick if RHO has Club Axx?

Of course (unless you try establishing , which I do not suggest). But the timing is crucial. Opponents are likely to switch to s next, which will likely give them 3 tricks or more in s plus the A. So they may have 5 tricks quickly. Therefor you need to establish your trick last as your ninth trick, so that opponents can not cash length tricks there before you cash 9.

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I did run the spade from dummy (RHO not following), hoping that I could end-play LHO some time in spade for trick 9. How bad was that?

If I would see 8 tricks. But again I would expect them to establish next. Now they very likely will have at least 4 tricks before the end-play can materialize.

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Posted 2011-April-01, 16:23

 rhm, on 2011-April-01, 06:44, said:

It looks to me that your best chance is to hope that RHO has the A and one of the minors to be breaking. Cash s discarding s and play another from dummy.
Even if do not break you next establish a for your ninth trick before opponents can take 5. Likewise if are 5-2 you should still make if break.
This assumes that either s break 5-1 and at least one honor is with RHO or if are 4-2 that RHO has the A.


4-2 and RHO has A and 3-2 with Ace onside ,5-2 .

When u play 2nd from dummy after 4, he takes his A, cashes 5th if he had 5 (doesnt matter who has 5), and exits with his last . Seems like they can score 2+1+1+1 if i am not missing something.

Regardless though Rainer, your line seems to me the best, as usual. :)
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Posted 2011-April-02, 08:51

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Thanks of the answers.
This was the complete hand.
The actual play didn't really matter given the position of the honours.
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