[Fluffy]

playing a suit contract, if you have to open a suit holding 842, is it standard to lead the 8 (no honnor) or the 2 (odd count)?, suposedly dummy won't have something such as KQJ10, but rather somethign like J93


Playing again a suit contract, partner leads an Ace, showing AK, dummy puts down 3 very small trumps and doubleton 103 in the suit led, you have Jack and 2. This should be obvious if you play UDCA or std carding, but sadly we were playing UDA at that time, is this a count position (jack for doubleton) or an attitude position (low encouraging)?

[jmcw]

From xxx I lead my lowest.

Holding Jx partner lead A from AK. I would encourage with the x, roughing the 3rd round.

[blackshoe]

What is "standard" may well depend on where you are.

The ACBL SC has a section for "leads". What the ACBL considers to be "standard" is in bold. From three small, vs. suits, the lowest is bolded. IIRC, Eddie Kantar suggests (in Modern Bridge Defense) leading high from three small in a suit partner has bid and you have supported, though. And given the level of knowledge of most club players, I wouldn't be surprised to find that many of them think lowest from three small is not standard, and that MUD, or top, or whatever it is that they play, is "standard".

[Fluffy]

sorry, I didn't made it perfectly clear, I mean open a suit with 3 small in the middle of a hand, not at the lead.

[Free]

It depends on what you agree about priorities. If you want to show count all the time, then leading the 2 from 842 is obvious. If you prefer to know something about honour location, then lead the 8.

The 2nd case is a very good example of why I don't like UDA and UDC treatments. Best is to agree with partner when to show what. For example, I play A as attitude ask all the time, and K as count ask (or deblock vs NT). So with AKxxx we can lead whatever honour we want, depending on what we need to know. Still, even with that agreement, you want partner to continue the suit because you have a ruff. After the Ace you want to encourage partner to give you a ruff, but partner won't know if you want a ruff or if you have the Q.

[gordontd]

Fluffy, on 2011-March-23, 18:19, said:

playing a suit contract, if you have to open a suit holding 842, is it standard to lead the 8 (no honnor) or the 2 (odd count)?, suposedly dummy won't have something such as KQJ10, but rather somethign like J93

Leading the 8 is standard in my experience.

Fluffy, on 2011-March-23, 18:19, said:

Playing again a suit contract, partner leads an Ace, showing AK, dummy puts down 3 very small trumps and doubleton 103 in the suit led, you have Jack and 2. This should be obvious if you play UDCA or std carding, but sadly we were playing UDA at that time, is this a count position (jack for doubleton) or an attitude position (low encouraging)?

It feels like you've answered your own question by asking it: if you are playing UDA in this situation you give attitude, so play the 2. The only time you might have a problem here is if you are playing Std Count & UDA - a rather strange method that seems to have lots of adherents who haven't been able to explain to me its advantage over UDCA

[gnasher]

Fluffy, on 2011-March-23, 18:19, said:

playing a suit contract, if you have to open a suit holding 842, is it standard to lead the 8 (no honnor) or the 2 (odd count)?, suposedly dummy won't have something such as KQJ10, but rather somethign like J93

It depends on the situation. If it's important for partner to know that you have no honour, you lead high. If it's important for partner to know that you have three, you lead low. If you're English you might lead the middle one.

[gwnn]

I think that's what Fluffy tried to say gordontd - std count but upside down attitude. I created a thread on this about two years ago and I found another one before, but I can't be bothered to learn the new silly search function.

[Vampyr]

jmcw, on 2011-March-23, 19:31, said:

From xxx I lead my lowest.

Holding Jx partner lead A from AK. I would encourage with the x, roughing the 3rd round.

Don't be too rough with it.

[Fluffy]

gordontd, on 2011-March-24, 03:48, said:

a rather strange method that seems to have lots of adherents who haven't been able to explain to me its advantage over UDCA

I play both methods and you get the same opportunities for dual signal cards from both. For example, when partner leads low, dummy has Kx and wins the King; some people don't know if you should show count or attitude with Qxx, but playing UDA&std carding you can't go wrong.

Any carding method you try will have problems here or there.

The main advantage from std count over UDCA comes from showing odd count from Jxx or 10xx where you can't thorw away the top card, adn the middle card is not clear enough.