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Problems after first negative double

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Posted 2011-March-23, 17:10



I disagree with my friends here. Imps, what now ?
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Posted 2011-March-23, 17:22

I'd just bid 3D. 3NT seems like a long shot.
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Posted 2011-March-23, 22:32

Double.
"I have a max for previous neg-X at 2-level."
Do you see what to play, partner? Have you 2+DT? S-stop?
Offense, not much so 3D?
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Posted 2011-March-23, 23:21

4D. 3D is the world's biggest underbid.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 01:13

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Double.


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4D. 3D is the world's biggest underbid.


This hand caused some disagreement between me and my friends. I want to double, they want to bid 4.
I say that partner will never pass the double with something like 3-5-4-1, they say he often will thus I can't double.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 03:54

I think double would suggest a 3244 11-count. Will partner pass that with four diamonds? Perhaps not that often, but yes he might do. The fact that he doesn't have any of KQ10 will encourage him to defend.

I don't see what's wrong with 3 here. If I pass, partner will play me for a 3244 7-count. If I bid 3, I show my fifth diamond. I have a few more points as well, but I'm aceless, and my club honours are probably opposite a singleton or doubleton.

Also, I think partner is limited by his 2 bid. My double implied both minors, so partner's minor-suit bids should be limit bids. If he'd bid 3 that would have been invitational, in the same way as
  1 1 dbl pass
  3
is invitational.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-March-24, 04:18

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I don't see what's wrong with 3♦ here


We thought the hand is too strong for that but 3 looks perfectly reasonable to me now, still I would prefer dbl as 3 could be purely competitive with 5 diamonds.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 06:55

I would have bid 3!s like a shot. I have a pretty huge hand to play in diamonds. Bit worried that partner has too many spades but such is life. Happy to play 5D vs: Kx Kxxxx Axxx Ax. Guess maybe it needs a bit mroe than my instinct suggested, but really cannot imagine bidding 3d.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 06:58

Also, if partner had: K9xx Axxxx AJx x would anyone fancy a 2d bid? Perhaps everyone is for 1N here. Guess it looks quite normal. Just a bit surprising that lho hasnt found a raise. RHO has not bid that strongly. If partner has no spade values he could easily have x KQxxx Axxx Axx or similar.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 07:08

Partner could easily have a dream hand with a super double fit, opps could easily have a 10 card fit. However, it's not all that likely.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 07:37

View Postphil_20686, on 2011-March-24, 06:58, said:

Also, if partner had: K9xx Axxxx AJx x would anyone fancy a 2d bid?

That's a nice nine of spades.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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