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1 level overcall problem

Poll: 1 level overcall problem (21 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1S (12 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  3. 1NT (9 votes [42.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  4. 2C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2011-March-21, 20:20

3rd seat all white MP

KQx
Qxx
Kx
J9xxx


p p 1C 1H
x p ?


Now what?
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Posted 2011-March-21, 21:06

1N
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Posted 2011-March-21, 21:20

Agree mtvesuvius.
With no H-raise, I expect a second H-stop - partner has HJxxx,HKxx or similar.
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Posted 2011-March-21, 21:32

With no intervention I would have passed partner's 1S response so I guess I'll bid 1S now.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 05:57

1♠, 3 spades.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 06:09

1S. Did someone really open this rubbish?
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Posted 2011-March-22, 08:08

Why don't you have a 3-seat 1N for these
blah "I don't like majors hands"? EG. 1NT:11-14 in 3-seat.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 09:33

is there a standard about what double means?
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Posted 2011-March-22, 09:54

To those bidding 1S, what's the rationale?
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Posted 2011-March-22, 10:15

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-March-22, 09:54, said:

To those bidding 1S, what's the rationale?


Let's assume you really had an opening bid, or that you had to sit in for someone who thought it was an opening bid.

Then the rationale for rebidding 1♠ is in accordance with (among other sources) the June 2010 Bulletin, page 59. If partner's neg double shows four spades, and you have four spades, you pretend you are raising his 1♠ response to 2. With only three of them, you can bid 1S.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 10:37

1♠ and I feel pretty strongly about it. Like Gwnn, this shows 3 for me.

If LHO passed and partner responded 1♠, you would pass, right? While partner is limited to four in the actual auction, LHO now threatens NT with a heart suit. So I am unclear why bidding 1N is appealing.

The fact that RHO didn't raise doesn't affect my judgment. Hearts could easily be 6-2, or RHO could be too weak to raise.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 11:18

I think it's pretty close. Certainly a case can be made for being the first to bid 1NT white at matchpoints. However, we do have 3 good spades and a likely ruffing value in diamonds. RHO's silence makes it a bit more likely that CHO has an invitational raise to 2NT and we really don't want to hear it. Perhaps if we bid 1S partner can bid 1NT to show some extras and we can stay low.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 13:48

1♠
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Posted 2011-March-22, 14:49

View Postdake50, on 2011-March-22, 08:08, said:

Why don't you have a 3-seat 1N for these
blah "I don't like majors hands"? EG. 1NT:11-14 in 3-seat.


Often when you open these "blah" hands you are hoping to pass a 1-level response from partner.

It's an interesting idea, though, since lots of weak NTers play a strong NT in 3rd at teams. There is a very pretty symmetry here.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 16:26

Looks like a 1♠ opening to me.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 17:27

1♠ --it's MPs, white on white and hopefully pard can take a joke and won't compete to 2♠ holding only 3...
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Posted 2011-March-22, 17:30

I'd bid 1♠. Wouldn't complain if a partner preferred 1NT.

I'd also have passed initially.
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Posted 2011-March-23, 01:26

View Postdake50, on 2011-March-22, 08:08, said:

Why don't you have a 3-seat 1N for these
blah "I don't like majors hands"? EG. 1NT:11-14 in 3-seat.


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