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Reaching the experts Par How final is the Final double in competitive auctions ?

#1 User is offline   kista 

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Posted 2011-March-18, 00:45

Both Vulnerable Dealer North -2N X & then X = Cooperative penalty
Pass followed by X by South would have been Penalty.

Declarer ducked the ♣K from East and won the ♣continuation by East , ran the ♠9 to East's ♠A , won the ♣continuation , ran the ♠suit. East was strip squeezed and was reduced to ♥A♦KJ ♣109 and so declarer was home with the last 3 ♦tricks. for a score of +650 to NS.

NS managed the bidding & play smartly. Could EW have done something to reach their par of 4♣X ? by way of better partnership agreement, reasoning or judgement.

One way is to play the 3N X by E is to ask partner to decide to defend or bid since East can pass 3NT when he knows defending is best for their side.

Could the auction & actions be different for other vulnerabilities ?
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Posted 2011-March-18, 01:12

 kista, on 2011-March-18, 00:45, said:

Pass followed by X by South would have been Penalty.
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Could the auction & actions be different for other vulnerabilities ?


Well, with the above agreement there is a bit of a danger of 2NT being passed out when E/W are favourable.
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Posted 2011-March-18, 08:42

 Vampyr, on 2011-March-18, 01:12, said:

Well, with the above agreement there is a bit of a danger of 2NT being passed out when E/W are favourable.


Pass here is only similar to a negative double treatment. Partner will know to balance with a double or bid, if 2N is passed by West (disclosing a misfit). NS can now get ready to collect the penalty.
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Posted 2011-March-18, 09:46

If pass followed by double is penalty, why didn't south do that?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-March-18, 13:26

 han, on 2011-March-18, 09:46, said:

If pass followed by double is penalty, why didn't south do that?


I'm probably missing something.. why would he want to do that with a spade fit and only 3 cards in whichever minor they pick?
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Posted 2011-March-19, 07:59

Oh sorry, he has three spades. I missed it looking at the ACE-QUEEN-THIRD IN BOTH OF THE OPPONENTS SUITS!!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-March-19, 12:39

 han, on 2011-March-19, 07:59, said:

Oh sorry, he has three spades. I missed it looking at the ACE-QUEEN-THIRD IN BOTH OF THE OPPONENTS SUITS!!


And ♥9, which is South's other vital defensive card.
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Posted 2011-March-19, 13:21

...and North would have pulled a penalty double if the 7 and 6 of diamonds had been swapped, of course.
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Posted 2011-March-19, 16:51

I would also go for the penalty double route with the South hand. On many hands where 3mX would not go down sufficiently, LHO may bump to 4m.
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