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Responder's jump rebid after a reverse 1C-1S-2H-3SAA

#1 User is offline   paulhar 

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Posted 2011-March-08, 09:53

Assume you play a standard system where responses to a reverse are as follows: (you can mention if you feel these are unsound)

1x p 1y p
2z p ?

(y > z > x)

Cheaper of the fourth suit or 2NT implies weakness and can get out below game if opener has a minimum reverse
(i.e. 1C-1S-2D-2H, or 1C-1S-2H-2NT)

2 of responder's major is ambiguous and forcing (could be weak - still possible to get out below game)

All other bids are game forcing (possible to get out in 4 of a minor with sophisticated agreements.)

How would you play responder's jump rebid in his major (i.e. 1C-1S-2H-3S) ?
I tend to lead fourth best - as opposed to the best suit, the second best suit, or the third best suit for our side
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Posted 2011-March-08, 10:20

View Postpaulhar, on 2011-March-08, 09:53, said:

Assume you play a standard system where responses to a reverse are as follows: (you can mention if you feel these are unsound)

1x p 1y p
2z p ?

(y > z > x)

Cheaper of the fourth suit or 2NT implies weakness and can get out below game if opener has a minimum reverse
(i.e. 1C-1S-2D-2H, or 1C-1S-2H-2NT)

2 of responder's major is ambiguous and forcing (could be weak - still possible to get out below game)

All other bids are game forcing (possible to get out in 4 of a minor with sophisticated agreements.)

How would you play responder's jump rebid in his major (i.e. 1C-1S-2H-3S) ?


A similar thread ... in Sept of last year:

http://forums.bridge...opic=41920&st=0

At that time I mentioned that with Ingerberman and Ron Anderson's Leb3 ( for reverses ), they consider 2S, in this unique case of a 2H reverse over a 1S response, as not only forcing but game forcing.

However, Peachy gave the best reply ( IMO ) . The 2S can be either a weak hand OR GF, but 2S is "forcing"
because 2H has " promised a rebid " . It means, however, that you "can't get out " in 2S because it cannot be passed.
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As to the question about " 3S ".

There are 3 ways for Responder to bid 3S:

1) 1m - 1S
   2H - 3Sjump = invitational

2) 1m - 1S
   2H - 2NT! ( Leb ... forcing 3C! )
   3C! - 3S = sign-off, weak.

That leaves:
3) 1m - 1S
   2H - 2S ( either as an immediate GF or if only F1, then any new suit, etc, later is GF )
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Posted 2011-March-11, 12:51

I play that 3M shows slam interest with a very strong suit (can play in slam opposite a small singleton). I think that showing slam interest is more important than showing the invitation.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-March-11, 13:00

It would never occur to me that 3 is anything except what Han plays.
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Posted 2011-March-11, 15:59

View PostPhil, on 2011-March-11, 13:00, said:

It would never occur to me that 3 is anything except what Han plays.


I gave you a +1, can't be said often enough.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-March-11, 16:57

View PostPhil, on 2011-March-11, 13:00, said:

It would never occur to me that 3 is anything except what Han plays.


I play it as slammy, setting thrumphs. Doesn't feel silly.
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