[kenberg]

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The 3♦ is probably not everyone's choice, but that's not the issue. As for my 4♥, if I have to guess I guess. Sometimes I guess right.

A partner (not the one in this hand) advocates 4♣ to deal with a 5-5 such as this, and this hand supports her views, but of course I sometimes just get dealt clubs. Is there consensus? For example, undiscussed, I would assume that an auction (3♦)-4♣-(Pass)-4♠ would say something like "Really glad to hear about your clubs and your values, I have a spade suit and I suggest we play this hand in 4♠" Or it could be that 4♠ is a try for a club slam. Or, if 4♣ is two suited, it could be that 4♠ announces a willingness to play in spades if that is my major, with clubs as the back-up plan.

This was pick-up, so of course I make my best guess. But if I wanted to have some agreements, what are your suggestions?

[gwnn]

4♣=♣+M
4♦=M+M
4♥=good long hearts with values
4♠=good long spades with values
4NT=quantitative

pass, x, 3NT, 4NT or 5♣ = calls that you can consider when you'd like to bid 4♣ natural

[helene_t]

If 4♣ shows clubs and a major, the responses are:
Pass: N/A, 4♣ is forcing
4♦: asks
4♥/♠: to play, don't care for overcallers major.

[kenberg]

helene_t, on 2011-March-11, 06:58, said:

If 4♣ shows clubs and a major, the responses are:
Pass: N/A, 4♣ is forcing
4♦: asks
4♥/♠: to play, don't care for overcallers major.

Ah yes.

[JLOGIC]

Non leaping michaels is the forums favorite convention, but it's definitely not standard. In USA it's unheard of and I'd bet it's not standard in the rest of the countries combined, maybe a country exists where it is standard though.

Anyways, I think doubling 3D is obvious. Double then 4H shows a flexible strong hand, 3514 being typical but other shapes possible (like this!). I'm not unhappy if partner insists on spades, sometimes he has 6+.

[Free]

Over here it's pretty standard to use 4m as a 2-suiter, some people call it "world convention". No idea where that name comes from though...

[gnasher]

helene_t, on 2011-March-11, 06:58, said:

If 4♣ shows clubs and a major, the responses are:
Pass: N/A, 4♣ is forcing
4♦: asks
4♥/♠: to play, don't care for overcallers major.

I prefer:
4♦: slam interest
4♥/♠: pass or correct

[wyman]

JLOGIC, on 2011-March-11, 07:27, said:

Non leaping michaels is the forums favorite convention, but it's definitely not standard. In USA it's unheard of and I'd bet it's not standard in the rest of the countries combined, maybe a country exists where it is standard though.

Anyways, I think doubling 3D is obvious. Double then 4H shows a flexible strong hand, 3514 being typical but other shapes possible (like this!). I'm not unhappy if partner insists on spades, sometimes he has 6+.

This is what I am accustomed to also, and when I saw the problem I thought double was clear. [Of course other treatments are playable, as evidenced by the NLM-ers itt.]

edit: non-leaping Michaels-ers, not non life masters

[helene_t]

Free, on 2011-March-11, 07:42, said:

Over here it's pretty standard to use 4m as a 2-suiter, some people call it "world convention". No idea where that name comes from though...

It is because a player once, after having got a good result from using it, shouted "wat een wereldconventie!"

[mfa1010]

Yes, X+4♥ is clear with standard agreements as Justin says.

[kenberg]

JLOGIC, on 2011-March-11, 07:27, said:

Non leaping michaels is the forums favorite convention, but it's definitely not standard. In USA it's unheard of and I'd bet it's not standard in the rest of the countries combined, maybe a country exists where it is standard though.

Anyways, I think doubling 3D is obvious. Double then 4H shows a flexible strong hand, 3514 being typical but other shapes possible (like this!). I'm not unhappy if partner insists on spades, sometimes he has 6+.

If, then, the auction (uncontested except for the initial preempt, goes
X 3♠
4♥ 5♣
then that is to play, not a cue bid, right?


Not knowing how pard would take or intend any sequence (and it's clear here that there are various thoughts) I am content enough with my "I guess hearts" approach for a pick-up game. But I intend the thread as a search for good agreements with regular partners. So I'll take the X then hearts as a starting point. No point to it unless pard can now get out in clubs, right?

Btw. X then, over 3♠, 4♦ is ?. Slam try in spades? Some would maybe use it as "no not spades, try again"?

[han]

Agree with double followed by 4H.