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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2011-March-07, 03:31

How often do you remove a takeout double of 4 to 4 on a 4 card suit? This has been always an area that I wasn't sure about.

There are several auctions here, does it make a difference which one we're talking about?

4-p-p-x; p-?
4-x-p-?
1-p-4-x; p-?
2/3-p-4-x; p-?
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Posted 2011-March-07, 05:29

I tend to bid 4, except some specific cases like:
1. I have slow tricks in s.
2. I am very weak and we are VUL against NV.
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Posted 2011-March-07, 06:18

1H - p - 4H - Double you should pull most often.

For the doubles of 4H openings:

With 4 hearts to an honor I would pass. With a defensive 3-card heart holding I would also pass. With 3 hearts and enough tricks that I know 4HX goes for a number, I would also often pass. With most other hands I would pull.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-March-07, 09:07

What Han said sounds like what i usually do.
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Posted 2011-March-07, 11:13

pass this x only under rare circumstances. If the opps wrap 4h on you p will become ultra conservative. The only time I consider passing the x is when I have a heart holding simlar to Kxxx QJx KJx or better and little to nothing outside hearts. P can be incredibly strong for any of these x and passing and missing slam with outside tricks and 3 small hearts is a recipe for disaster.

a word of caution, with a holding similar to Ax of hearts and out you will probably still be better off bidding 4s due to that one ace massively improving the odds of a slam for your side.
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