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you be the judge 7NT making end up with 6C -1

#21 User is offline   paulhar 

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Posted 2011-March-08, 10:30

The worst (or perhaps the best) bid was 3S! No number of clubs from South is forcing, and South just has to guess. Souch could bid 4S, but without a club fit, is South really that strong? Imagine that North holds xxxx, AQxx, KQJx, x - where does the partnership want to play?

If South doesn't cuebid, whatever he bids is the likely final contract, so he just has to play the odds, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a simulation picked 6C as the winner (although my bet would be on 5C.) Those stating that 6C is unbelievably bad are playing results IMO - almost certainly if partner has a balanced hand, you want to play in clubs.

Now it's North's guess. It seems "obvious" to bid 5H over 5C, but in the actual auction, North must guess the extent of the heart fit and the solidity of the clubs. While the result is rediculous, I remain unconvinced that anybody made a terrible bid.

By the way, with no agreements, I like an immediate cuebid by responder instead of the negative double, correcting the inevitable 5C bid to 5H. North just knows that partner is bidding clubs over the negative double, and this hand looks too good to just bid 4H over 3S. The only downside I can see to this is if partner thinks your cuebid shows club support and starts bidding controls (where he will think your next bid is a control.) Without prior discussion, I wouldn't think partner should think this, but it would not totally shock me if partner did think that.
I tend to lead fourth best - as opposed to the best suit, the second best suit, or the third best suit for our side
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Posted 2011-March-09, 01:46

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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the leap to 6 was not right. The negative double did not promise club support, so to even consider 6 as a bid, one has to have at most one loser in the club suit opposite shortness: which this suit is not. However, opposite a jump to 6, West has a monster hand for his "negative" double. Parnter couldn't be counting on anything near this much, so West's pass is not great either. The problem is West has no clear road forward. So I will have to rate the worse bid as 6 like others.

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I just don't get it that the reason to pass 6C bid not forward going to bid 6H. Spade shortness is almost sure under 6C bid and we also expect H shortness as well??
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Posted 2011-March-09, 03:50

View Postyaohung, on 2011-March-09, 01:46, said:

I just don't get it that the reason to pass 6C bid not forward going to bid 6H. Spade shortness is almost sure under 6C bid and we also expect H shortness as well??

I would bid 6 over 6, not least because partner may be able to raise to seven.
Nevertheless 6 must show a very good long (some would say solid) suit and 6 could be very wrong. People tend to pass such jumps to slam.

If you are prepared to commit to slam with the South hand after the double of 3, why not bid 4 with the intention of following up by bidding 6?

Partner will certainly let you play if he has Qx or three little s and if he has any less, another strain may be better. He will not correct unless having a very good suit himself and since you have a top honor in both red suits you certainly do not mind a correction.

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