Recently we played this board on a duplicate pairs:
Both sides red;
S...W...N...E
1♦ 1♥ 2♦ 4♥
?
South looked unsure what to bid next. She touched the whole remaining bidding cards and after a second delay she reached for the double card and laid it on the table.
West wanted the X withdrawn and another bid be made by South since (she touched first the stack of bidding cards).
Since there was a disagreement between South and West, North called the Director.
After reviewed the bidding, the Director agreed with West (unauthorized information from South) and forced South to make a call (no even pass).
S...W...N...E
...
5♦ X all pass
-1 (-200) for NS.
Was there the right decision?
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Bidding box rules ?
#2
Posted 2011-February-28, 01:37
No, this was not the right decision!
I think it is fine to rule that S has given UI, but that doesn't mean you can force S to make a call. What it means is that N may be constrained in subsequent actions to ensure they do not take advantage of the UI.
As I understand it, even if S had placed the stop card on the table, this does not mean a stop bid needs to be made - they can still pass if they decide that is what they want to do.
I think it is fine to rule that S has given UI, but that doesn't mean you can force S to make a call. What it means is that N may be constrained in subsequent actions to ensure they do not take advantage of the UI.
As I understand it, even if S had placed the stop card on the table, this does not mean a stop bid needs to be made - they can still pass if they decide that is what they want to do.
#3
Posted 2011-February-28, 01:43
Discipline West for bullying. Discipline the TD for collusion in bullying.
It is rare that the laws force a player to bid: even if the player is in receipt of UI and makes a call not permitted by Law 16, we adjust later, we do not change the call at the time.
Here, South is not in receipt of UI. Instead he has created UI: not of itself illegal. He is free to choose his call at that turn as long as no bid was made (according to the prevailing bidding box regulations). There is nothing in the laws that can make him change a double to a bid.
If the (chief) TD) was called upon to clear up this mess, I would adjust under "Director's Error", giving both sides a result based on South doubling; and a grovelling apology.
It is rare that the laws force a player to bid: even if the player is in receipt of UI and makes a call not permitted by Law 16, we adjust later, we do not change the call at the time.
Here, South is not in receipt of UI. Instead he has created UI: not of itself illegal. He is free to choose his call at that turn as long as no bid was made (according to the prevailing bidding box regulations). There is nothing in the laws that can make him change a double to a bid.
If the (chief) TD) was called upon to clear up this mess, I would adjust under "Director's Error", giving both sides a result based on South doubling; and a grovelling apology.
Robin
"Robin Barker is a mathematician. ... All highly skilled in their respective fields and clearly accomplished bridge players."
"Robin Barker is a mathematician. ... All highly skilled in their respective fields and clearly accomplished bridge players."
#4
Posted 2011-February-28, 18:26
Just to stress, it is very important that West is penalised. Either he calls the TD or he doesn't, but this sort of bad behaviour is not to be tolerated. 20% of a top DP.
David Stevenson
Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
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Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
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