[gurgistan]

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Hi all,

I am convinced that responder's rebid should be 4♥ and not 2N. After all, he knows we have an eight card fit and around 25hcp. I took his 2N to deny support and put us in 3N. North has it that the rebid was weak. But even so, I think he should have put it in 4♥.

North says that 2N over my major suit rebid tells me that he has 2 card support and not 3 card support. Is this correct?

Assuming the same shape for my hand, if I am 16hcp+ do I rebid 3♥?

All relevant help much appreciated.

[Elianna]

2N in this auction is invitational to 3NT (2H was passable).

In this specific auction, the people I play 2/1 with would treat 3H as invitational with 2 card support (with 3 card support in this auction, most would raise to game, but maybe with 4333, one could treat it as 2 card support). If instead opener rebid 2D, then 3H would show three card support.

You may notice that I put a lot of caveats in this, as I do not feel like an expert on 2/1 as most play it.

I also would have rebid 3H with the south hand. You don't have the classical amount of points, but are there on playing strength (invite to game in hearts).

[whereagles]

I would have rebid 4♥. Look at your hand: you're 1 trick away from making it. Leave 2/3♥ rebids to less shapely hands.

[Lurpoa]

gurgistan, on 2011-February-23, 20:26, said:

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Hi all,

I am convinced that responder's rebid should be 4♥ and not 2N. After all, he knows we have an eight card fit and around 25hcp. I took his 2N to deny support and put us in 3N. North has it that the rebid was weak. But even so, I think he should have put it in 4♥.

North says that 2N over my major suit rebid tells me that he has 2 card support and not 3 card support. Is this correct?

Assuming the same shape for my hand, if I am 16hcp+ do I rebid 3♥?

All relevant help much appreciated.

I agree with Elianna.
2NT is invitational (with less than 2 hearts): partner passes or bid 3 or 4♥.

[JLOGIC]

Bidding 2N with a doubleton heart can be fine, sometimes 3N is better than 4H with the 6-2 fit when you have a hand that is loaded outside with soft stuff (exactly like north has). It also depends on your opening bid style whether north has a GF or not, but I'd say no.

That said, 2N does not promise a doubleton heart, you could easily have a stiff or a void.

I think south's bidding was completely misguided with 6-5 shape and a solid suit.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

gurgistan, on 2011-February-23, 20:26, said:

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Is the North 12 hcp hand worth a 2/1 GF or not ?
South    North
1H - 2C! ( GF )
3D!( splinter) - 3NT
4C!( RKC) - 4H! ( 1 key )
pass!

[gurgistan]

JLOGIC, on 2011-February-25, 16:28, said:

I think south's bidding was completely misguided with 6-5 shape and a solid suit.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Should the bidding have gone

1♥-1♠-2♣-2♦2♥-4♥?

[aguahombre]

I think Mike Lawrence had a similar theme in the most recent ACBL Bulletin....and agree with 3 or 4 hearts depending on what kind of dog pard will open.....2NT not a good idea. Feels like hand-hogging and will just tick pard off.

[MrAce]

gurgistan, on 2011-February-25, 20:35, said:

Thanks for pointing this out.

Should the bidding have gone

1♥-1♠-2♣-2♦2♥-4♥?

No, in this auction 2♥ after 4th suit forcing 2♦ does not promise 6 card ♥, he can bid it with 5422 5431 with no ♦ stopper and no 3 cards ♠.

I think N bid very well, the way he did in this example. I'd bid 2♣ by south over 1♠

[Bbradley62]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-25, 18:25, said:

Is the North 12 hcp hand worth a 2/1 GF or not ?
South    North
1H - 2C! ( GF )
3D!( splinter) - 3NT
4C!( RKC) - 4H! ( 1 key )
pass!

Regardless of whether North's hand is GF, he should bid 1♠, not 2♣, at his first call.

[Bbradley62]

gurgistan, on 2011-February-23, 20:26, said:

Assuming the same shape for my hand, if I am 16hcp+ do I rebid 3♥?

16+hcp is way too strict a standard for this. 16+ total points is usually sufficient. Another way to look at it is: you would have opened 1♥ with: ♠A, ♥KQJ932, ♦2, ♣T8743; you have an A more than that, so your hand good enough for a jump in suit.