[bluecalm]

2♣ 2♦ dbl pass
3♣ pass 3♠ pass
4♣

imps; both vulnerable;
It was actually polish club so 2C could be 5C-4M but it doesn't matter much in this auction I think.
Should 4C be forcing here ?
How would you bid:

AKQ62 A9 T92 T84

97 KT2 7 AKJ7632 ?

I had to double instead of 2♠ in first round because we play 2♠ as not forcing (but constructive) and 3♠ as forcing natural but pomising 6 spades.

[nigel_k]

I think you have enough to raise to 5♣ at the end. I would also like to do more with South as it's a pretty good hand especially after being limited by the 3♣ rebid. It depends on your agreements but probably either 4♦ or 4♥ instead of 4♣.

[bluecalm]

Oh, 4♣ wasn't actual bid. My partner bid 5♣ fearing that 4♣ would be not forcing. We missed a good slam and we are wondering if we had a chance there.

[barmar]

It's hard to feel too bad about missing 24 HCP slams. The opponents might not even make it to game, or end up in 3NT going down on a diamond lead.

[cherdano]

What's the maximum of 2♣?

[gnasher]

I think it's just a matter of agreement - you can play 3♠ as game-forcing, or you can play is as a one-round force, and there are advantages to both methods. Personally I prefer not to have any sequences that are forcing only to 4m, because I don't like having to remember what they are.

This isn't particularly a Precison problem. You would have had the same problem in a standard system if the auction had started with 1♣ (2♦) and you were playing negative free-bids.

In fact, it's not even a negative free-bid problem. If it had gone

1/2♣ (2♦) 2♠   [forcing]
3♣ 3♦
4♣

you would still need to know whether 3♦ was game-forcing.

[bluecalm]

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What's the maximum of 2♣?

11-14 in general. Very good 14 like ATx x Kxx AKT9xxx is too strong though.

[Mbodell]

bluecalm, on 2011-February-25, 04:30, said:

11-14 in general. Very good 14 like ATx x Kxx AKT9xxx is too strong though.

Is that points or cards.

We usually play 2♣ as 10-15 but I have noticed that we've missed some games with the 15 counts so I'm thinking I'll upgrade many of them into 1♣ or (strong nt part of)1♦ moving forward.

[bluecalm]

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We usually play 2♣ as 10-15 but I have noticed that we've missed some games with the 15 counts so I'm thinking I'll upgrade many of them into 1♣ or (strong nt part of)1♦ moving forward.

Points.
We play that way only in polish club though (cause you are not forced to game opposite 8-9hcp)

[cherdano]

Given your range for 2♣, maybe it is right to rebid 4♣ right away instead of 3♣?