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#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

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Posted 2011-February-22, 15:36

Playing 2/1, what's your call here? Followup question with partner's hand eventually as well.
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Posted 2011-February-22, 16:36

4♥, thanks for keeping us out of a failing slam RHO!

Edit: I think the warning signs are there, if we aren't down off the top (a spade through partner or a spade and a ruff) then there could still be a bad trump break (likely) or the inability to pitch a loser in time (less likely). We also have the option to bid 5♣ to get our 2nd suit in if LHO tries to sac in 4♠. X could get the clubs in but severely distorts our hand and doesn't solve the spade problem IMO.
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Posted 2011-February-22, 16:42

Well the choices look to be a negative X or 4♥. You will have to decide what you are going to do over 3NT b4 you pick the former
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Posted 2011-February-22, 17:03

I try 4♥.
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Posted 2011-February-22, 17:38

4H obv
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Posted 2011-February-22, 17:41

I think 5♥ has some appeal, but would just bid 4♥.

Not the first time I see suggested to play transfers after 1x-3♠ and 3♠-X-pass
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Posted 2011-February-22, 18:10

As a side note, there is a lot of merit to switching 4C and 4H on this auction.
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Posted 2011-February-23, 10:28

X partner knows I have a pretty good hand to force the bidding to the 4 level (or 3n or penalty pass). What
are partners options

pass whould happen only rarely since we would probably prefer to be in 3n since the long spades rarely rate to have
an entry p probably has a hand similar to QJx xx AKxx Kxxx

3n obvious over which we will now bid 4h and p will know we had slam aspirations with hearts.

4c couldnt bid 3n minimum and merely bidding suit probably 3154 or 2254 minimum
with such good hearts I would still hazard a 4h bid hoping p will correct to 5 of a minor
with more radical distribution.

4d cant bid 3n doesnt like hearts and couldnt bid clubs I would bid 4h happily

4h with p having a 4 bagger and us having rightsided hearts for a slam (if p has Kx spades)I would raise to 5h asking for spade contol (not 100%) but highly probable this will work well.
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Posted 2011-February-23, 11:34

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Posted 2011-February-23, 11:36

I'd expect double followed by 4♥ to show doubt about what the trump suit should be - typically only five hearts and playable in a minor too. I think that's a much more frequent hand-type than a one-suited slam try that isn't good enough for 5♥.
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Posted 2011-February-23, 12:18

I had the identical auction yesterday and bid 4H with

KJ
KQxxxxx
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xxx

should I have passed? If not how do I differentiate between this hand and the one posted originally?
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Posted 2011-February-23, 12:33

View PostTMorris, on 2011-February-23, 12:18, said:

I had the identical auction yesterday and bid 4H with

KJ
KQxxxxx
x
xxx

should I have passed? If not how do I differentiate between this hand and the one posted originally?

You cannot distinguish the two. That's why they preempt.
(Neither hand can pass out 3♠, and all other bids below 4♥ are needed for other purposes. Since the original hand isn't quite good enough to bid 5♥ voluntarily - you could just go down - you have to live with missing slam now and then.)
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Posted 2011-February-23, 14:13

X.

The alternative is 4H - but this will end the auction rather quickly.

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Posted 2011-February-23, 15:31

4H is enough. Add the J♥ and I would bid 5H. I would then hope partner has the wit to bid 6NT with Kx of spades. With this hand there is too much of a risk of losing two spades and a trump for a five-level adventure.
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Posted 2011-February-23, 16:42

4♥ for me too Adam.
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Posted 2011-February-23, 17:01

Alright, thanks for the idea about reversing 4C and 4H. I'll talk that one over with partner.

I was actually originally given partners hand and asked what to do over 1D(3S)5H.

I'll post that in a separate thread.
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Posted 2011-February-23, 20:35

View Postrogerclee, on 2011-February-22, 18:10, said:

As a side note, there is a lot of merit to switching 4C and 4H on this auction.

One of the best ideas I've seen in a long time .

Easy to remember too.
Apparently just for 1m - (3S) interference.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 01:37

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-23, 20:35, said:

One of the best ideas I've seen in a long time .

Easy to remember too.
Apparently just for 1m - (3S) interference.

I'm not sure why you think the fact that it applies in only one auction makes it easy to remember. Personally I have never played this agreement in any partnership I've had because I am worried about forgetting it, and I play similar things in other auctions, like transfers after 3C interference over our 1N.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 06:48

There is a lot of merit in switching the two unbid suits whenever
- we open a minor and they overcall in spades, or
- we open a major and they overcall in clubs.
At lower levels, it gives you an NFB in the unbid major, at the cost of being able to stop lower when you have the minor.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 15:52

I think that switching 4C and 4H is especially useful after 1H - (3S).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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