[Hanoi5]

You're red. It's a team match.

♠AKQJxx
♥QJ
♦Jxxx
♣J

♠Txxx
♥Kxx
♦---
♣AKQxxx

North opens.

Additional questions:

- After 1♠-2♣-2♦-2♠, is 3♣ a cue-bid?
- After 1♠-2♣-2♦-3♠-4♣, what would be the best continuation?

[gnasher]

There's a useful discussion of this type of sequence here:

http://www.bridgewin...ways-to-support

The consensus was that a sequence like 1♠-2♣;2♦-2♠;3♣ showed shape, 5143 in this case. After 2♠ I think opener should bid 2♠ and await developments. Even if I culd cue-bid the singleton club, I wouldn't want to - if I make my first cue-bid cue-bid in partner's suit, it should be an honour.

Also, opener might just bid 2♠ over 2♣. His hand looks more like "spades" than "spades and diamonds". That would simplify the auction.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2011-February-04, 13:51

[gwnn]

This is a nicer thread on BBF on the same class of auctions

http://www.bridgebas...3116-21gitleman

[Cascade]

1♠ 4♦
5♠ 6♠

4♦ = void
5♠ = extras/good fitting hand but with no side control

Whoops I overlooked the club shortage

5♣ instead of 5♠

1♠ 4♦
5♣ 6♠

[mike777]

with 4card support and ruffing values prefer to start with 2nt and have opener describe her hand.

too strong to splinter which would be a much less powerful playing hand.

[Cyberyeti]

Does everybody bid 2♦ with 6-4 and this discrepancy in suit strengths, we'd bid 1♠-2♣-2♠-4♦ which is fairly specific by our methods as an initial 3♣ would be bid on this shape if the spades were decent, so you have 3 or 4 small spades, a club suit and a diamond shortage. We'd probably end in 4♠ as it's difficult to diagnose from either side that a heart through at trick 1 isn't likely to take the first 2 tricks.

We could also start with 4♦ which would be specifically a void, but don't tend to do so with this sort of hand with bad trumps.

[mtvesuvius]

3♣ should be shape showing, both links above are very good threads on the situation.

I'd bid 3♠ with the North hand after 2♠, and then South would bid 4♣, North 4♠, South 6♠ (maybe 6♣) or something like that.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 Cascade, on 2011-February-04, 14:50, said:

1♠ 4♦
5♠ 6♠

4♦ = void
5♠ = extras/good fitting hand but with no side control

Whoops I overlooked the club shortage

5♣ instead of 5♠

1♠ 4♦
5♣ 6♠

I still like to show 4 cards support first rather than source of tricks.
If your methods can show the ♦ Void like Cascade, then perhaps it could go like this:

1S - 4D!
5C* ( Cl Ctrl, denying Ht Ctrl, but guaranteeing at least A and K of trumps when going past 4NT [ RKC] )*
.... - 5H! ( Ht Ctrl )
6S
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
* Opener makes a slam try with marginal values realizing that Shortness-Opposite-Shortness ( SOS ) can produce lots of tricks with a fit.

[Free]

Nobody in for a voidwood ♥?

[rhm]

 Hanoi5, on 2011-February-04, 13:40, said:

You're red. It's a team match.

♠AKQJxx
♥QJ
♦Jxxx
♣J

♠Txxx
♥Kxx
♦---
♣AKQxxx

North opens.

Additional questions:

- After 1♠-2♣-2♦-2♠, is 3♣ a cue-bid?
- After 1♠-2♣-2♦-3♠-4♣, what would be the best continuation?

It would never occur to me to rebid 2♦ with the North hand in a natural system.
People are apparently so obsessed with their system that they are not capable any more to evaluate a Bridge hand.
The purpose of bidding is to find the best trump suit and how high. ♦ is not a candidate.

I would bid:

1♠ 2♣
2♠ 5♦
6♣ 6♠

5♦ would be exclusion key card Blackwood.

Rainer Herrmann

[peachy]

I prefer a 2/1 auction (even other methods) to begin 1S-2C-2S. Opener is not good enough for 2D with such a quacky hand outside the pretty spades. Normally, it is better to describe 9 cards instead of just 6 cards, but this is really an exception to that. Consider the diamonds as baby spots rather than a *suit* for the time being.

Whether responder should bid splinter, or clubs followed by spades, is a matter for discussion and there are resources guide you, here is one, though I don't think there is any reason not to bid clubs first with this hand, but the expert discussion is interesting anyway.
http://www.districts...%202006-06.aspx

[kgr]

What is the best rebid with the North hand after
1♠-2♣
when playing SAYC?
...3♠?

[Vampyr]

 kgr, on 2011-February-08, 06:08, said:

What is the best rebid with the North hand after
1♠-2♣
when playing SAYC?
...3♠?

After 1♠-2♣, 2♠ is forcing in SAYC, right? If it is I would reserve 3♠ for stronger hands.

[mcphee]

Even when holding 4 card support I greatly dislike passing up a 5 card or longer trick taking suit, although some strong players do not agree. N should forget about D on the second call rebidding (stressing) his major. After 2S it's hard to imagine not reaching 6.

[dake50]

"Nobody in for a voidwood ♥?" -- Free

The most feared mind is devious unpredictable. Might work here.
Surely gets the "don't trust this guy" reputation.

[kgr]

 Vampyr, on 2011-February-08, 07:09, said:

After 1♠-2♣, 2♠ is forcing in SAYC, right? If it is I would reserve 3♠ for stronger hands.

I think you should bid 3♠ when you have a GF hand, and I wondered if this hand qualified?

[gwnn]

Certainly not any GF hand with 6 card spades. I think it shows the same hand as
1♠-1N
3♠

but awm probably knows better..