[jillybean]

MP V vs. NV

A9876, 5, KJ65, JT4

Partner opens

1C:1S
2D:3C
3N:?

Do you pass 3N or show preference for a minor, and why.

[mike777]

given op i guess I pass.

strongly prefer 3d not 3c if pard bids 3nt then I would pass.

[nigel_k]

Agree with 3♣. This is not the sort of hand where a 4-4 will play better than a 5-3. Also, we know partner has five clubs but he may not have four diamonds.

It's much tougher at matchpoints but I am not sitting for 3NT with a stiff heart and other useful cards. Maybe we have a slam and, if not, I will have to hope that 3NT is down or makes only nine.

I will bid 4♦ now.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

The "pinned" topic at the top of the page is a Primer on Reverse Bidding.

1C - 1S
2D - ?? why not a game forcing 2S showing 5+ cards...it's possible partner could have 3 card support... you can always revert back to Diams.

[Fluffy]

I prefer 3♦ because it is most descriptive, we might bid clubs later if needed, ♠A opposite singleton, and singleton heart opposite 3 cards all mean that we make a lot of tricks playing on a minor, and that's what we should try. reopen now with 4♣ and bid 4♥ over 4♦

[jillybean]

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Here's the full hand, 3N was not the right spot.

[kgr]

nigel_k, on 2011-February-01, 20:54, said:

Agree with 3♣. This is not the sort of hand where a 4-4 will play better than a 5-3.

How do you see that? What features of a hand say a 4-4 or a 5-3 will probably play better?

[pooltuna]

jillybean, on 2011-February-01, 18:47, said:

MP V vs. NV

A9876, 5, KJ65, JT4

Partner opens

1C:1S
2D:3C
3N:?

Do you pass 3N or show preference for a minor, and why.

Half of your hand's high cards are fillers in your partner's suits. You have a first round control card in partner's probable shortest suit and a second round conrol card in a suit where he probably has 3 cards, altho 22 in the majors is possible. I think 13 is more likely since the opponents are not preempting in ♥. All your features make your minor suit ODR very high and risk/reward for trying highly favorable.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2011-February-02, 09:58, said:

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Here's the full hand, 3N was not the right spot.

3c or 3d shows a good hand game force not a minimum. Opener should make a slam try over 3c or 3d by responder.

I really dislike 3nt by opener.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

jillybean, on 2011-February-02, 09:58, said:

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Here's the full hand, 3N was not the right spot.

Why didn't I think of this before? ...supporting Diam is much better.
and what better way than with a SPLINTER.
With support for both minors, and although it is possible Opener might have 3 cards Sp, it is not very probable
( opps would be interfereing with Ht bids ).

1C - 1S
2D - 3H! = splinter for Diam
4D! ( Minorwood) - 4NT ( 2 - ♦ Q )
6C!( 5C! would be specific K-ask so "by-passing" the K-ask makes 6C! = ♣Q-ask )
6D ( no ♣ Q )

[jillybean]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-02, 12:10, said:

Why didn't I think of this before? ...supporting Diam is much better.
and what better way than with a SPLINTER.
With support for both minors, and although it is possible Opener might have 3 cards Sp, it is not very probable
( opps would be interfereing with Ht bids ).

1C - 1S
2D - 3H! = splinter for Diam
4D! ( Minorwood) - 4NT ( 2 - ♦ Q )
6C!( 5C! would be specific K-ask so "by-passing" the K-ask makes 6C! = ♣Q-ask )
6D ( no ♣ Q )

Fancy auction but I think driving to slam is bad, 6♦ does not make.

[wyman]

jillybean, on 2011-February-02, 13:25, said:

Fancy auction but I think driving to slam is bad, 6♦ does not make.

What goes wrong? Looks like you can ruff 2 hearts for 6 trumps, 2 major aces, and 4 clubs. This should make with no defensive voids and hearts no worse than 6-3. And if hearts are 7-2 or 8-1, you still have chances.

[mtvesuvius]

Really? Splintering on THAT? How low have splinters sunk?

Sorry but splintering there is 100% double-dummying the hand, and I think that 3♣ or 2♥ is fine. I think I'd probably wind up in 5m though, opener should pattern out with 3♥ over 3♣ IMO, since opener knows 3N needs a little heart help from partner. It's unclear, but North will probably now bid 4♦ and South will bid 5♦ ending the auction.

[wyman]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-February-02, 14:02, said:

Really? Splintering on THAT? How low have splinters sunk?

Sorry but splintering there is 100% double-dummying the hand, and I think that 3♣ or 2♥ is fine. I think I'd probably wind up in 5m though, opener should pattern out with 3♥ over 3♣ IMO, since opener knows 3N needs a little heart help from partner. It's unclear, but North will probably now bid 4♦ and South will bid 5♦ ending the auction.

Is splintering that bad with a 9-count, 2 keycards, and a known double-fit after partner reverses? Agree that on the actual auction, opener should pattern out and that 3N is bad.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2011-February-02, 13:25, said:

Fancy auction but I think driving to slam is bad, 6♦ does not make.

That's resulting, it's a great contract whether it makes or not. On a 3-2 trump break you're practically bombproof.

[ggwhiz]

I want to play these cards in 3nt or 6♦ and the way there is a 3♦ bid followed by 4♣ over pards 3nt response or just pass 3nt.

I hate any style that caters to playing exactly 5♣or♦ when it is right and think those hands should be barred from Matchpoint events.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-February-02, 14:02, said:

...... and I think that 3♣ or 2♥ is fine....

2♥!  is Lebensohl ( the start of a sign-off...weak ) for the special 1♣ >> 2♦  Reverse when partner has Responded 1♠.

[mtvesuvius]

OK then 2♠, 2N, whatever you use to show a hand that would have bid 2♥. lol

[TWO4BRIDGE]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-February-02, 17:15, said:

OK then 2♠, 2N, whatever you use to show a hand that would have bid 2♥. lol

My appologies... not everyone plays the ever more popular 4th suit ( 2oM ) as the Leb weakness bid in the special 1C >> 2D Reverse cases. You can have the agreement that 2NT! is always the Leb bid and thus, Responder's 2oM rebid would be natural and forcing.

But you must admit that Opener CAN'T have 4 cards in the other Major ( oM ), because with a 0 4 4 5 , he would have reversed into Hts instead of Diams.

Using the 4th suit as Leb, I would have Responder ( with 5s/4h ) rebid 2S ( forcing ) and perhaps 3NT later--
with no pressing need to show the 5/4 major shape .

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Edit: I am only talking about the 5s/4h case for Responder,
because for the 4s/5h case, Opener's 2D Reverse DENIES 4 cards Sp, otherwise with 4 cards Sp the bidding would go:
1C - 1H
1S - ....

[han]

I play 2S as forcing with 5+ spades, but I would not use it here. I think 3D is better than 3C and both are better than 2S. Over 3D opener can bid 3H to show doubt, especially since 3NT might be better in partner's hand.