BBO Discussion Forums: Balanced 16 after both opponents have bid - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Balanced 16 after both opponents have bid

Poll: Balanced 16 after both opponents have bid (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your call?

  1. Double (15 votes [51.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.72%

  2. Pass (8 votes [27.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.59%

  3. 1S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 1NT (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  5. Other (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   humilities 

  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 80
  • Joined: 2011-January-06

Posted 2011-January-26, 09:26



Matchpoints, both sides Vul, unknown opponents playing 2/1. Your call?
It is impossible to believe in individual autonomy while simultaneously believing in a right to well-being supported by others.

Sometimes I use big words I don't fully understand to make myself seem more photosynthesis.
0

#2 User is offline   TimG 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,972
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maine, USA

Posted 2011-January-26, 09:47

I can't see the hand on my iPod, but I guess pass.
0

#3 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2011-January-26, 11:01

Double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#4 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,495
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2011-January-26, 11:40

The Ax in Hearts is a miserable holding for 1NT, so this is right out.

The choice would appear to boil down to Double versus Pass.

1. I have 4 Spades
2. Hearts have been bid on my right and I have two of them

Put these togehter and double is looking mighty attractive.
I wish that I had a 4th club, but nothing in life is perfect.
Alderaan delenda est
0

#5 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2011-January-26, 11:39

Double, 1N here isn't too safe and won't work out very often. Pass is making life much harder later. Double is the perfect in-between... Yes, I'd like to have another club, but I'll just tell partner I had a diamond in with my clubs.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#6 User is offline   Trinidad 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,531
  • Joined: 2005-October-09
  • Location:Netherlands

Posted 2011-January-26, 11:55

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-January-26, 11:39, said:

Double, 1N here isn't too safe and won't work out very often. Pass is making life much harder later. Double is the perfect in-between... Yes, I'd like to have another club, but I'll just tell partner I had a diamond in with my clubs.

Didn't someone in another thread tell you that you needed glasses? :P

I would pass, BTW.

Rik
I want my opponents to leave my table with a smile on their face and without matchpoints on their score card - in that order.
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!), but “That’s funny…” – Isaac Asimov
The only reason God did not put "Thou shalt mind thine own business" in the Ten Commandments was that He thought that it was too obvious to need stating. - Kenberg
0

#7 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2011-January-26, 11:58

View PostTrinidad, on 2011-January-26, 11:55, said:

Didn't someone in another thread tell you that you needed glasses? :P

lol yes, shot glasses please!
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#8 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2011-January-26, 12:47

1NT. "15-18 balanced with stops in the red suits" seems a better description than "Opening strength with both black suits".
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#9 User is offline   paulg 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,083
  • Joined: 2003-April-26
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Scottish Borders

Posted 2011-January-26, 12:57

1NT for me. I don't really understand why many are so worried about the heart holding. Bidding in this position is a (presumably justified) gamble and the hand will almost always have some negative feature, so if you are not prepared to dive in then you might as well use 1NT for some other purpose.
The Beer Card

I don't work for BBO and any advice is based on my BBO experience over the decades
0

#10 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2011-January-26, 12:57

The main reason why I dislike 1N is that we have 4♠, and this looks to be a partscore battle at best. We'll lose spades sometimes by bidding 1N and being R/R at MPs doesn't help either.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#11 User is offline   nigel_k 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,207
  • Joined: 2009-April-26
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Wellington, NZ

Posted 2011-January-26, 13:58

I prefer 1NT and also am not that worried about hearts. It's only the one level. I think 1NT will work out better if partner doesn't have spades and we still have a chance to find a 4-4 spade fit after 1NT.
http://bridgethoughts.blogspot.com
0

#12 User is offline   barmar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Admin
  • Posts: 21,600
  • Joined: 2004-August-21
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-January-26, 14:52

I dislike bidding 1NT with holdings like this, which is why I usually play Sandwich NT (showing a weak distributional hand with the other two suits).

I pass with this hand, I just don't see enough upside to doubling. What's the chance that we have a fit in the black suits? LHO hasn't announced a fit with RHO's hearts, that could be partner's only 4-card suit. The double also gives LHO the possibility of a support redouble. So partner might have to bid a 3-card spade suit, and then take heart ruffs in the long hand.

If LHO raises hearts and it passes around to me, I'll probably balance.

#13 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2011-January-26, 14:58

Pass, second choice Double. Overcalling 1NT naturally is fine when only one opponent has bid, but when two have bid it's playing with fire.

If it goes 2♥ Pass Pass I'll revive the bidding.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#14 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2011-January-26, 15:25

I don't normally play 1Nt natural on this position, but if I did, wouldn't it be for hands like these?
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
1

#15 User is offline   barmar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Admin
  • Posts: 21,600
  • Joined: 2004-August-21
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-January-26, 15:28

Yes, I guess if you play 1NT natural this would be the kind of hand. It's a bit much to expect double stoppers in both opponents' suits.

Which is why I think natural 1NT is a silly bid. If you have their suits well stopped, it just means that the opponents have much of their strength in their side suits, which you don't have protected. Unless both opponents are bidding light, you can't expect much help from partner. The only safety is if he has length somewhere and can transfer you out of NT. But if that's what you're depending on, you might as well double.

#16 User is offline   655321 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,502
  • Joined: 2007-December-22

Posted 2011-January-26, 15:44

I would bid 1NT, but double also seems a fine choice.

OTOH, I have no words to describe what I think of the pass.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
0

#17 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,092
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2011-January-26, 15:51

View PostTimG, on 2011-January-26, 09:47, said:

I can't see the hand on my iPod, but I guess pass.


I can't see the hands on my Blackberry Curve either. Maybe we need to enable javascript or something?

I can see the hand on my PC and I double.
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#18 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2011-January-27, 06:58

Smartphones suck, so I'll just bid 1NT.
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#19 User is offline   peachy 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,056
  • Joined: 2007-November-19
  • Location:Pacific Time

Posted 2011-January-27, 12:02

After two bidding opponents and a passing partner, I don't like 1NT natural anyway, and even if that were the method we play, I would not bid 1NT with this hand. Double shows spades at least, the flaw in the club length is acceptable.
0

#20 User is offline   Hanoi5 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,082
  • Joined: 2006-August-31
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santiago, Chile
  • Interests:Bridge, Video Games, Languages, Travelling.

Posted 2011-January-27, 15:14

Double. I prefer 1NT in the sandwich position to show a distribuitional take-out of the unbid suits.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


My YouTube Channel
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

5 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 5 guests, 0 anonymous users