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You open the bidding with 1♣ and the auction proceeds as follows:
1♣ - (1♥) - X - (Pass)
1NT - (2♥) - 2♠ - (Pass)
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What the hell does partner have?
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Posted 2011-January-25, 11:04
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Posted 2011-January-25, 13:16
1. What was the first X?
2. What would double instead of 2♠ be?
3. IMPs or matchpoints?
My best guess is it probably ought to be a good club raise, but if I did it undiscussed I would have a hand that is willing to play there.
2. What would double instead of 2♠ be?
3. IMPs or matchpoints?
My best guess is it probably ought to be a good club raise, but if I did it undiscussed I would have a hand that is willing to play there.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 14:18
It doesn't seem like it could be natural. If he had 5+ spades he would have bid 1♠ in the first round; the negative double shows exactly 4.
There are some pairs that invert the meanings of 1♠ and negative double, but that's not a treatment anyone should use without discussion. I suppose it's possible that he learned from someone who uses that variation, and doesn't realize it's nonstandard. If the double shows 5+, I guess bidding the suit on the second round must show 6+ (you've presumably denied 3 by bidding 1NT instead of 2♠).
There are some pairs that invert the meanings of 1♠ and negative double, but that's not a treatment anyone should use without discussion. I suppose it's possible that he learned from someone who uses that variation, and doesn't realize it's nonstandard. If the double shows 5+, I guess bidding the suit on the second round must show 6+ (you've presumably denied 3 by bidding 1NT instead of 2♠).
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Posted 2011-January-25, 16:22
nigel_k, on 2011-January-25, 13:16, said:
1. What was the first X?
2. What would double instead of 2♠ be?
3. IMPs or matchpoints?
2. What would double instead of 2♠ be?
3. IMPs or matchpoints?
Everything standard here, Double just tends to show a hand with 4♠ and 1♠ would show 5+♠. A second double would be take out according to our agreements. The scoring was IMPS.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 16:58
My guess:
If you don't play WJS after the overcall, this sequence should probably show one.
Otherwise, this might show a weak 5=1=5=2 or 5=1=6=1 hand that was planning on passing your rebid but has no desire to defend (too scared to X for takeout for fear that you might pass
). But this is indeed a strange auction.
If you don't play WJS after the overcall, this sequence should probably show one.
Otherwise, this might show a weak 5=1=5=2 or 5=1=6=1 hand that was planning on passing your rebid but has no desire to defend (too scared to X for takeout for fear that you might pass
). But this is indeed a strange auction.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 17:08
jschafer, on 2011-January-25, 16:22, said:
Everything standard here, Double just tends to show a hand with 4♠ and 1♠ would show 5+♠. A second double would be take out according to our agreements. The scoring was IMPS.
In that case a good club raise seems like the only hand type that can't be dealt with another way, e.g. AQxx xx Qx QJxxx.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 17:15
That makes sense. It's similar to the Impossible Spade in 1♥-1NT-2♣-2♠.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 18:14
I agree with the others here. Impossible club raise.
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Posted 2011-January-26, 16:35
wyman, on 2011-January-25, 16:58, said:
If you don't play WJS after the overcall, this sequence should probably show one.
Agree with this
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Posted 2011-January-27, 00:53
4153 looking to compete but not to play dobuled
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Posted 2011-January-28, 12:57
I agree with fluffy, though I wouldn't like to experiment with this at the table. By analogy with 1NT P P 2H; p p 2S.
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Posted 2011-January-28, 17:55
So now that we've been speculating for several days, what DID partner have?
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