[pirate22]

If not why not---all vuln-also it can be non vuln.
You pick up. QJ75--J953--76--853 you are south.
W opens 1cl--P{1n/t}--Tank X-- your decision?
any vulnerabilities should not influence any decision.
with a reg partner one shld have a system.
Other wise you will go for -800 minimum.
Partner has his bid all 16 points.
im interested in escape mechanisms,and what would it
mean to partner if you decide to pass.

[mtvesuvius]

"Yes, hello, this is 911, what is your emergency?"
"Ohmigod, I just opened this 4 count, help!!"
"Sorry, is there a pass missing? We'll send someone right away! In the mean time, hesitate for at least 45 seconds to make sure partner doesn't bid again!"

or if the pass is there:
"Yes, hello, this is 911, what is your emergency?"
"Ohmigod, I have two four card majors and partner made a slow takeout double!! What should I do?!?!"
"Umm... Maybe you should bid one of them?"
"But partner doubled slowly! Doesn't that mean I should pass with my defenseless 4 count with a clear 2M bid?"
"Umm... Whatever makes you happy, but this is a clear 2♥ bid. Thank you for calling 911, have a nice day"

[blackshoe]

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Was there a change of call? Are you asking for a ruling, or are you just interested in what agreements people have? It's really not clear to me what you want here.

[pirate22]

as i stated East tanked and x--again my question is
what does south do -pass? if so what does p know{1n/t}
someone suggested bid 2 hts???????? why not 2sp?
if they recieving 911 calls.can i have another operator plse:)
this applies to Mt Vesievius-you also need glasses

[mtvesuvius]

pirate22, on 2011-January-23, 20:51, said:

as i stated

Umm, lol.

Now that we actually know the auction, this is all a matter of agreements, I play DONT here, so would bid 2♥.

Without agreements it's still better to bid 2♥, as you might be able to judge whether to run or not if you're doubled. Bidding 2♠ is unilateral, and gives up on hearts.

[Fluffy]

bid 2♣ and redouble later, then conrrect 2♦ to 2♥

[pirate22]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-January-23, 20:56, said:

Umm, lol.

Now that we actually know the auction, this is all a matter of agreements, I play DONT here, so would bid 2♥.

Without agreements it's still better to bid 2♥, as you might be able to judge whether to run or not if you're doubled. Bidding 2♠ is unilateral, and gives up on hearts.

Now that your glasses on---- if you bid 2 hts pass pass x pass pass.now really in the cart probably -1100.
2 spades no better...
one should have an agreement with pard-- best is to put pressure on opps,by xx=bid clubs pass 2cl by pard.
pass-pass/2hts-- off the hook u pass. if pass-pass now a x comes back best contract is 2spades 4x4 fit
but the opps will rescue either as i said 2hts or maybe 2n/t by opps

[kenberg]

I would pass. Maybe partner can make it. Maybe he is 3-2 in the majors and will pull the double himself to his five card diamond suit. Maybe (most likely) we are going down wherever we play this. I suppose that if I had any agreement other than "do your best" with partner, it would be to pass this somewhat flat hand and then, if partner holds 4-4-3-2 in some order he can try scrambling of he wishes. If he is 4-3-3-3 he passes and tries to play well, and if he has five of something he bids it.

I realize it's not great, but I would be suspicious of anyone who claimed to have a really good idea about how to handle the given situation. Playing DONT 2♥ is probably better, presumably you will be in a 4-3 fit at worst, and I suppose then a long suit run-out starts with XX->2♣. But I pass.

[manudude03]

I play non-extended Helvic here, 2♥. Partner will know when to run to spades if it goes PPXPP (if he hasn't pulled already).

[Trinidad]

pirate22, on 2011-January-23, 20:51, said:

as i stated East tanked and x--again my question is
what does south do -pass? if so what does p know{1n/t}
someone suggested bid 2 hts???????? why not 2sp?
if they recieving 911 calls.can i have another operator plse:)
this applies to Mt Vesievius-you also need glasses

When I see this post, my head feels like I have had too many glasses already.

Anyway, I play (1x)-1NT-(X)- exactly the same as 1NT-(X)-. But with different partners I play different runouts. With one I play that:
o Pass forces a Redouble, after which I will pass or show a single suiter.
o Redouble tells partner to bid his longest suit.
o A bid is a two suiter according to DONT.

Rik

[Zelandakh]

My agreement here is Spelvic so I bid 2H showing both majors with longer/better spades. If I were to Pass then partner would be forced to Redouble - then 2m would show that suit plus a higher-ranking red suit and 2H would show both majors with longer/better hearts. In general I think it is easiest to simply play your regular 1NT X runout system in this spot even where it is not 100% optimal such as after a 1M opening since it does not come up often and saves considerably on memory-load over having several different runout methods.

[FrancesHinden]

pirate22, on 2011-January-24, 09:51, said:

Now that your glasses on---- if you bid 2 hts pass pass x pass pass.now really in the cart probably -1100.
2 spades no better...
one should have an agreement with pard-- best is to put pressure on opps,by xx=bid clubs pass 2cl by pard.
pass-pass/2hts-- off the hook u pass. if pass-pass now a x comes back best contract is 2spades 4x4 fit
but the opps will rescue either as i said 2hts or maybe 2n/t by opps

I am struggling to understand what you are talking about.

You want to redouble to ask partner to bid 2C? And this works because the opponents will bid over 2C?
Good, well done, good result.

[Bbradley62]

blackshoe, on 2011-January-23, 19:53, said:

Was there a change of call? Are you asking for a ruling, or are you just interested in what agreements people have? It's really not clear to me what you want here.

Apparently, he wants to know if people have different agreements over slow doubles than they have over fast doubles.