[gwnn]

4♠ please!

[mtvesuvius]

the_dude, on 2011-January-25, 14:21, said:

IMPS

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That's why I bid 2♠...

[MrAce]

I bid 4♠

[HeartA]

tolvyrj, on 2011-January-25, 17:44, said:

2♥i know im only one who is afraid that prd may not have ♠, but something else; a strong wich he wants to announce by doublung first and bidding his own suit later. If i jump now to 3 or 4♠ prds 4 or 5 level minor will be a nasty surprise. By bidding 2♥ i make clear that im going to bid at least once again, so prd dont have jump anywhere. Same bid announces that i have some kind of maximum pass, will he believe my ♠ r 6 card long, i dont know cause i didnt open 2♠.
Lets see what will happen.

You are not the only one.

[MrAce]

tolvyrj, on 2011-January-25, 17:44, said:

2♥i know im only one who is afraid that prd may not have ♠, but something else; a strong wich he wants to announce by doublung first and bidding his own suit later. If i jump now to 3 or 4♠ prds 4 or 5 level minor will be a nasty surprise. By bidding 2♥ i make clear that im going to bid at least once again, so prd dont have jump anywhere. Same bid announces that i have some kind of maximum pass, will he believe my ♠ r 6 card long, i dont know cause i didnt open 2♠.
Lets see what will happen.

In theory i agree with you, but i would still bid 4♠ at the table. I may have issues now and then when pd has big hand and misfit, i agree, it can work other way arround too though, but anyway, i believe in the success rate of blasted games in imps. I believe my chances to make that 4♠ will be significantly higher than someone eachtime who started with 2♥ first and then ended up in 4♠(or any slow arrival to game bids) due to giving too much info to opponents on the way. Lead matters a lot in all borderline games.

[P_Marlowe]

3S.

And 3S is certainly not preemptive, why should it?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[manudude03]

4♠ for me, I expect partner to leave it unless he has a GOSH AND not a good hand for ♠. For me, this is really on the top end of 4♠.

[gwnn]

When partner doubles with short spades and a long minor he has to be prepared to deal with high-level spade bids by me. It's not my problem. I think it's much more sensible to bid our hands and let partner worry about bidding his.

[peachy]

2S obvious. Hand is too good for 3S (6-carder + weak hand) and much too good for 1S. The shape is not the best though spade spots and length make this a nice hand so any dreams of 4S should be extinguished asap.

[HeartA]

gwnn, on 2011-February-01, 05:46, said:

When partner doubles with short spades and a long minor he has to be prepared to deal with high-level spade bids by me. It's not my problem. I think it's much more sensible to bid our hands and let partner worry about bidding his.

I don't buy this logic.

[mtvesuvius]

HeartA, on 2011-February-08, 23:53, said:

I don't buy this logic.

• You bid your hand
  
• Partner will bid his
  
• Magical things happen

[whereagles]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-February-09, 00:45, said:

• You bid your hand
  
• Partner will bid his
  
• Magical things happen

Bidding isn't just "bid your hand". It's also making decisions. The #1 source of mix-ups in natural bidding happens precisely when partners don't realize there's a time to bid what you have and a time to make decisions.

[MrAce]

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[gwnn]

whereagles, on 2011-February-23, 13:32, said:

Bidding isn't just "bid your hand". It's also making decisions. The #1 source of mix-ups in natural bidding happens precisely when partners don't realize there's a time to bid what you have and a time to make decisions.

Sure enough this sounds OK in general. However we were talking about a particular case: that when partner makes a takeout double, we are entitled to assume he has a normal takeout double (i.e. support for all unbid suits) and if he has a GOSH he is the one who has to worry about us bidding some long suit of ours and not the other way around (we should be wary of the possibility of him holding a GOSH and bid our suit only cautiously)?

[whereagles]

My comment was meant for a general setting. You should plan for a GOSH rebid only if you suspect, from seeing your hand, that's likely pard has one. Example:

(1♣) dbl (pass) ??

Kxxxxx
Qxxxx
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xx

Normally you'd want to bid 2♣ (or even 4♣) but here you might suspect pard has a diamond GOSH, so perhaps 1♠ is a better bid. If pard then bids the expected 2♦, you can continue with 3♥.

As for the hand in the opening post, it doesn't seem too likely pard has a GOSH (not to me, at least), so you should bid as if he had a normal take out dbl.