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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2011-January-21, 16:29



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Your call over 2♠?

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Sorry - 2♠ is natural - ignore the notation. If you are wondering, a double by partner would have been 'stolen bid' for a signoff in clubs or diamonds.
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Posted 2011-January-21, 17:06

The hand as given is why you should not play stolen bids.

Since double for penalty is not available I would bid 3 Spades stayman and if that is not stayman
I guess I would bid 3NT and hope partner has a Spade stopper or pulls it if he doesn"t
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Posted 2011-January-21, 17:54

you misread the post dickiegera. you're the 1NT opener
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Posted 2011-January-22, 04:30

Pass. If I double, partner will probably bid clubs, and I'm stymied. I have good defense here.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 11:05

I guess I wish more C players read the forums. :(

As I have done in the past, I didn't post this in the IBLF, since I didn't want to give it away this was a poll for determining LA's.

The partner of this hand asked about 2♠ (not alerted) and then paused a little, and passed. I thought this hesitation and inquiry about a non alerted bid created UI. The UI seems to suggest bidding instead of passing.

The tabled result was 3♠ -1 when this hand balanced and the opps competed to 3♠.

I adjusted back to 2♠=. If you are curious, 4♥ makes since partner has A T9xxx xxx Qxxx.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 11:56

Pass is certainly a logical alternative.

With my partnership methods, I would bid over a smooth pass (and catch pard with a 3-3-3-4 yarborough) so I wouldn't be too tough on the offender but agree with your ruling.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 12:54

Apparently it does depend on partnership agreements given ggwhiz's post. (But I've never run into any C players who had solid two-places-to-play agreements even in much more obvious spots than this one.) The way I play and the way nov/ints are taught to play, it looks like pass with nothing else to even think about, and the firing squad for anybody who bids.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 12:58

I think pass is definitely a logical alternative, even if I might not choose it at the table, it would certainly be considered. The UI clearly suggests bidding, so I agree with your ruling.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 14:45

View PostSiegmund, on 2011-January-22, 12:54, said:

and the firing squad for anybody who bids.


Reminds me of one of my favorite Director rulings told to me by a friend.

After 1nt - 2♥ - huddle pass - pass - 2♠, she gently called the Director as this pair was obviously new to duplicate.

Since it was the 3rd time in 4 or 5 rounds that the Director was called against this pair, he looked at all the hands and said "Double and lead trumps".
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Posted 2011-January-22, 21:00

Pass
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2011-January-22, 21:11

View Postvuroth, on 2011-January-22, 21:00, said:

Pass

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Posted 2011-January-23, 20:28

Yeah, stolen bids at this level are not good. Personally, I only use X as stolen over 2♣, but over 2♦, it could work too.

I play negative doubles, so with competing strength and 2 spades, partner would have doubled. I pass.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 04:41

Pass is clear, opener can't Dbl or bid anything imo. The hesitation clearly suggested bidding.

Responder with that shape should've just doubled for takeout.
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