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Bidding sequence goes:
1NT (15-17) 2NT (transfer to diamonds)
3D (bad hand for diamonds) 3NT?
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What should this sequence show?
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Posted 2011-January-08, 18:46
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Posted 2011-January-08, 19:06
You could play that as just about anything. 6D with values for 3NT but unsure about it due to a weak suit somewhere (probably the "default" meaning if you haven't discussed it), mild slam try in diamonds (would have gone on if partner hadn't shown a bad hand), values for game with 6D4C, ...
Personally I hardly ever play 4 suit transfers, so have never had this come up - sorry.
ahydra
Personally I hardly ever play 4 suit transfers, so have never had this come up - sorry.
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Posted 2011-January-08, 19:52
I believe standard is a mild slam try for diamonds. With a bad suit, just bid 3NT and hope for the best.
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Posted 2011-January-08, 20:25
Yup, sounds like slam try in diamonds, giving up after knowing there's a high diamond honor (or two) missing.
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Posted 2011-January-08, 20:25
Yup, sounds like slam try in diamonds, giving up after knowing there's a high diamond honor (or two) missing.
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Posted 2011-January-08, 21:01
You had a slam try and when partner didn't like diamonds you signed off...
I guess the point is that you could psyche this so that if partner doesn't like you showed a slam try and if he did you showed a game invite? You give up some info about partners hand in order to make them make a bad lead, so it might be a good trade off.
Depending on your agreements on what an accept is it might be free to psyche this, if you have some strict rules about what an accept is it might be possible for partner to dislike diamonds but bid over a slam try? This would not be possible for me, my accept just means "I accept a game invite in diamonds." I don't think a hand exists that I could reject a game invite but accept a slam try but maybe it does, never thought about this tbh.
I guess the point is that you could psyche this so that if partner doesn't like you showed a slam try and if he did you showed a game invite? You give up some info about partners hand in order to make them make a bad lead, so it might be a good trade off.
Depending on your agreements on what an accept is it might be free to psyche this, if you have some strict rules about what an accept is it might be possible for partner to dislike diamonds but bid over a slam try? This would not be possible for me, my accept just means "I accept a game invite in diamonds." I don't think a hand exists that I could reject a game invite but accept a slam try but maybe it does, never thought about this tbh.
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Posted 2011-January-09, 05:20
A very common English approach to four suit transfers is that you are only 'allowed' to accept with a top honour (A or K) in diamonds, the idea being that partner can bid 3NT if he now knows there's a good chance the suit is running. So on this sequence opener could still have, say, AKx Ax xxxx AQxx and is allowed to bid over 3NT
p.s. this method is pretty rubbish, because nowadays everyone just bids game anyway and hopes. But I still play it...
p.s. this method is pretty rubbish, because nowadays everyone just bids game anyway and hopes. But I still play it...
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Posted 2011-January-09, 10:00
So, just to check, the consensus is that partner may have been interested in something else, but has now lost interest? FYI, Kxx or better support is required to bid 3C on this sequence. Is there a consensus that suggests opener is allowed to go on with a super-maximum?
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Posted 2011-January-09, 20:27
I would expect the consensus to be the opposite: partner asked you a question, you denied a specific set of holdings, and he signed off instead of persisting with another question if he liked something else.
I prefer the style where a high honour, but not a tripleton, is required. (But with the hand Frances posted, I wouldn't think of going on as opener - and I would be expecting a top for 660-instead-of-600)
I prefer the style where a high honour, but not a tripleton, is required. (But with the hand Frances posted, I wouldn't think of going on as opener - and I would be expecting a top for 660-instead-of-600)
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Posted 2011-January-11, 03:24
3NT is a mild slam try, but the way I play 3D opener would virtually always pass.
It sounds like your opener can bid 3NT on QJxx of diamonds. In that case it should be possible to continue over 3NT.
It sounds like your opener can bid 3NT on QJxx of diamonds. In that case it should be possible to continue over 3NT.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 05:04
I am excited to psyche this. What is the right hand to do so? How about, at MP, QT9x KJ9x Jx QJx?
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