[Bbradley62]

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-1700

[mgoetze]

Don't understand the question.

[nige1]

Bbradley62, on 2011-January-06, 17:09, said:

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A typical 2/1 auction. EW should switch to Acol

[Bbradley62]

Sorry, lost the "-1700" part. Who is to blame for East-West's bad score?

[Bbradley62]

nige1, on 2011-January-06, 17:12, said:

A typical 2/1 auction. EW should switch to Acol.

Typical non-helpful response. The title says "individual", which precludes Acol.

[mgoetze]

Bbradley62, on 2011-January-06, 17:24, said:

Sorry, lost the "-1700" part. Who is to blame for East-West's bad score?

Bbradley62, I note that you self-rate as "advanced" on BBO. Now please tell me... do you really not know the answer to this question?

[hotShot]

Obviously East, because he forgot that transfer responses are standard in this sequence, if nothing is agreed.
Since this is an individual you can't agree much so East should have sticked to the standard.

[Bbradley62]

Having been away from the game for over a decade, I occassionally need a reality-check. East says "I described my hand and you said spades would be better". West says "I didn't know you had THAT many hearts".

[the hog]

mgoetze, on 2011-January-06, 17:27, said:

Bbradley62, I note that you self-rate as "advanced" on BBO. Now please tell me... do you really not know the answer to this question?

What an exceptionally rude reply, and you were one who commented on a post I made!The op asks a question and gets this as a response. Charming! After all the op is only "advanced", and doesn't self rate as an expert.

[wank]

40% west, 60% east. east should double before bidding hearts to let his p get his suit off his chest - otherwise it's unreasonable to expect him not to bid an unbid major imo

[kenberg]

I'm with mgoetze here in not understanding the question. This does not literally mean I don't understand the question "who is to blame", rather I cannot imagine why there would be a question of who is to blame. Afaik, 4♥ shows a desire to play 4♥. Communication by email and postings can lead to mis-communication but I would assume that pretty much all of the responses are based on a similar view of 4♥ and so there seems no reasonable answer to the question. Sort of "Ok, I'll go along with the gag" answers. Or else, I really just don't understand the question.

Don't play in indies if this sort of thing upsets you.

[matmat]

100% to the OP for looking for blame.

[P_Marlowe]

Bbradley62, on 2011-January-06, 17:36, said:

Having been away from the game for over a decade, I occassionally need a reality-check. East says "I described my hand and you said spades would be better". West says "I didn't know you had THAT many hearts".

Counter reply - "Can you give me a layout, where it makes a difference, that I am holding 8 hearts instead of the promised 7?"

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

Is this a serious question???

Obviously West is to blame, East made a normal preemptive overcall and West doesn't have anything to add so he should pass. For some reason he bid 4♠ on a 4 card suit, perhaps playing Kickback RKC (in which case East gets some blame for passing a forcing call)?

[Fluffy]

This is an evil hand, there is no real answer, sometimes you just have to asume you will get -1700 from time to time

[ArtK78]

I don't understand this thread. East preempted 4♥ and, for some reason best kept between West and his psychiatrist, West bid 4♠ on 10xxx.

Is there something here that is not obvious?

And what does 2/1 have to do with this?

[pooltuna]

for scores worse than -1100 the blame goes to however did not have a last call of "pass" especially in Individual tournaments

[HeartA]

kenberg, on 2011-January-06, 18:19, said:

I'm with mgoetze here in not understanding the question. This does not literally mean I don't understand the question "who is to blame", rather I cannot imagine why there would be a question of who is to blame. Afaik, 4♥ shows a desire to play 4♥. Communication by email and postings can lead to mis-communication but I would assume that pretty much all of the responses are based on a similar view of 4♥ and so there seems no reasonable answer to the question. Sort of "Ok, I'll go along with the gag" answers. Or else, I really just don't understand the question.

Don't play in indies if this sort of thing upsets you.

Agree. 4S is completely absurd.

[pooltuna]

Bbradley62, on 2011-January-06, 17:36, said:

Having been away from the game for over a decade, I occassionally need a reality-check. East says "I described my hand and you said spades would be better". West says "I didn't know you had THAT many hearts".

I would find "I thought 4♥ was a transfer" move believeable.