[kgr]

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I was thinking if I should open a GF 2♣ and then show a 2-suiter or show only ♠.
I was still not sure when I saw that RHO opened 1♦.
...What is your bidding plan? (No special agreement, except that 2♣ would be ♠ and ♣ not forcing; 7-16; and mostly 4c♠, probably not a good bid here. And 2♦ would show both majors).

Spoiler

If you DBL then partner bids 1♥:
(1♦)-DBL-(Pass)-1♥
(Pass)-??

Spoiler

If you bid 2D now then partner bids 3♥:
(1♦)-DBL-(Pass)-1♥
(Pass)-2♦-(Pass)-3♥
(Pass)-???
Is 3♠ forcing now?

[mike777]

x planning cuebid in d next. Now pard knows I got a strong 2 bid type hand.

The bidding might go:

1h then 2d then 2h then 3s! now pard should know to cue over 3s!

The good news is if pard bids only 1h that will slow me down.


Normally I just bid game after rho opens but this hand is just too good and partner is an unpassed hand.

[han]

Double, then 2D and then 3s. A good rule is: if you double, partner shows values (here the jump to 3H) and we bid a new suit, then that's forcing.

This also applies to sequences like

(1D) - Dbl - (1S) - 2C
(p) - 2H

Forcing.

[kgr]

han, on 2010-December-31, 07:47, said:

Double, then 2D and then 3s. A good rule is: if you double, partner shows values (here the jump to 3H) and we bid a new suit, then that's forcing.

This also applies to sequences like

(1D) - Dbl - (1S) - 2C
(p) - 2H

Forcing.

That is a good rule. I like rules
(1D) - Dbl - (Pass) - 1H
(Pass) - 2D - (Pass) - 2H
(Pass) - 2S/3S
What is 2S and 3S here: 2S a very good hand, but not forcing? 3S should be forcing? Or are they both non-forcing/forcing and the difference is flexible versus only Spades?

[kgr]

Partner had:
♠x
♥JTxxx
♦xxxx
♣Axx
And our bidding was:
(1♦)-DBL-1♥
2♦-3♥
4♠-All Pass
I crossed to ♣A to take the ♠ finesse for +3

[whereagles]

Think I'll just dbl and see what happens. Probably cue afterwards. If pard happens to bid clubs at some stage, I have an easy raise to 6.

Edit: just saw the hand. You could have bid 3♠ over 3♥ (forcing), intending to follow up with 4♣ over pard's (more or less forced) 3NT.

[pooltuna]

I think you misevaluated how strong your hand is! Let's say you are dealer and you got exactly one bid for the hand. What would you call?

[nige1]

mike777, on 2010-December-31, 07:37, said:

x planning cuebid in d next. Now pard knows I got a strong 2 bid type hand. The bidding might go: 1h then 2d then 2h then 3s! now pard should know to cue over 3s! The good news is if pard bids only 1h that will slow me down. Normally I just bid game after rho opens but this hand is just too good and partner is an unpassed hand.

pooltuna, on 2011-January-01, 08:44, said:

I think you misevaluated how strong your hand is! Let's say you are dealer and you got exactly one bid for the hand. What would you call?

IMO 1♠ = 10, _X = 9. Both these alternatives risk being passed out; but IMO, 1♠ is more likely to attract further bidding. At the table, I might bid like Mike77: Double and keep making forcing bids. If partner just shows ♥, then it is tempting to bid 4♠ and pack it in; on reflection, however, pooltuna's assessment makes sense: you are worth another try.

[whereagles]

nige1, on 2011-January-01, 10:23, said:

IMO 1♠ = 10, _X = 9. Both these alternatives risk being passed out; but IMO, 1♠ is more likely to attract further bidding.

Last time I tried something like that I was left stranded playing 1♠, making 11 tricks.

[lexlogan]

I won't double with a singleton (let alone void) in an unbid major, so I overcall 1S. Later I can try to show power with a jump or cue-bid depending on how the auction develops. A possible solution to this sort of problem is to agree that the cue-bid only promises the highest unbid suit and another suit; of course that makes it harder for partner to compete aggressively in hearts, but it is odd that popular methods leave the spade-minor two-suiter out in the cold over a minor suit opening.

[hrothgar]

kgr, on 2010-December-31, 07:35, said:

I was thinking I should open a GF 2♣ and then show a 2-suiter

Does not compute...
Does not compute...
Does not compute

[ArtK78]

lexlogan, on 2011-January-03, 09:16, said:

I won't double with a singleton (let alone void) in an unbid major, so I overcall 1S. Later I can try to show power with a jump or cue-bid depending on how the auction develops. A possible solution to this sort of problem is to agree that the cue-bid only promises the highest unbid suit and another suit; of course that makes it harder for partner to compete aggressively in hearts, but it is odd that popular methods leave the spade-minor two-suiter out in the cold over a minor suit opening.

I can understand why one might be reluctant to double with long hearts and a spade void, but with long spades and a heart void one can always correct hearts to spades.

This hand is just TOO strong to overcall 1♠. Opposite xxx xxx xxxx Jxx I am a strong favorite to make 12 tricks in spades. Not only do I risk being passed out by overcalling 1♠, I think it is a strong possibility. Even with wild distribution, this hand is just too strong to take that risk. Besides, after a 1♠ overcall, I am very unlikely to convince partner to cooperate in a slam investigation. At least if I double and cue bid there is a chance he may cooperate.

I am not worried about being passed out in 1♦x. Is it possible? Sure. But it is highly unlikely.