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So #3 did worse than #5? mp's in acbl tournament

#1 User is offline   dicklont 

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Posted 2010-December-31, 07:05

In a very small speedball tournament this was the result:
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Why did NS #5 get masterpoints while #4 did not?
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Posted 2010-December-31, 08:15

Next thing you'll be asking why people get MPs for a 45% game, LOL.
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Posted 2010-December-31, 12:19

I don't get all the ins and outs of stratified pairs, but from what I gather, say the top 3 in A, top 2 in B and first in C get MPs (usually classed by MP total- pairs in lower ranks automatically qualify for higher ranks too). Only #1, #2 and #3 get MPs for the A rank. For the B rank, #1 doesn't qualify, but #2 does so it gets first and #3 who also qualifies gets second. In the C rank, the highest qualified pair was #5 so they get MPs for that. Since #5 got MPs for the C rank while #4 didn't do well enough for the ranks it qualified for, #5 does better in MPs.

EDIT: pairs get the highest of the MP awards while the lower MP awards go to trash.
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Posted 2010-December-31, 12:22

They got the points for being first in C?
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Posted 2010-December-31, 12:45

My first reaction on reading the original post is neatly summed up by:

View Postmanudude03, on 2010-December-31, 12:19, said:

I don't get all the ins and outs of stratified pairs, but ...

View Postjillybean, on 2010-December-31, 12:22, said:

They got the points for being first in C?

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Posted 2010-December-31, 14:42

Yes, they won points for being first in C Strata in their section. Number 4, N/S did not win any masterpoints while number 5 did. The reason is, Number 4 was only eligible to be awarded points in Strata A and in this small tournament, in this Strata, points were not paid this low

The numbers following the names show the rankings of each pair in each strata. If there is no entry after the names for a strata, then that means that pair is not eligible to win points in that strata. You can see that with the fourth pair N/S in your example. They are shown as #4 in A, and B and C are blank.

However, the pair winning .14 masterpoints was eligible to win points in all three Stratas and you can see that they came in 5th in A, 3rd in B and first in Strata C.

I hope this helps to explain the Strata system, but if not, let me know and I'll try to make it more clear.

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Posted 2010-December-31, 17:21

What I find more bizarre is that 66% of the field was awarded masterpoints. I thought it was supposed to be the top 30% of the field+ties?
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Posted 2011-January-01, 03:07

I think it's the top 30% of the field in each strat.

This is why clubs like to hold stratified games, they allow you to award masterpoints to almost the whole room.

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Posted 2011-January-01, 06:53

The singular of "strata" is "stratum".
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Posted 2011-January-04, 14:47

whats the plural of anal
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Posted 2011-January-05, 01:00

View Postbarmar, on 2011-January-01, 03:07, said:

I think it's the top 30% of the field in each strat.

This is why clubs like to hold stratified games, they allow you to award masterpoints to almost the whole room.

This is an unfair knock against stratified games. In fact, stratified games pay less (in masterpoints) than flighted events of the same size because pairs that win in two categories only collect one award.

The advantage to stratified games is that it allows advancing players to play against higher-caliber players without giving up the ability to win masterpoints. If the game were flighted instead of stratified, a strong C pair would have to choose between playing in the B event (good for their development, but likely to yield no masterpoints) or playing in the C event (likely to yield masterpoints but bad for their development). Statified events give this pair the best of both worlds. "The field" also wants that pair to win points, to allow their masterpoint holding to more accurately reflect their skill level and make them ineligible for future C events, if appropriate.
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Posted 2011-January-05, 02:27

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-January-04, 14:47, said:

whats the plural of anal

annals.
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Posted 2011-January-06, 04:04

View Postmatmat, on 2011-January-05, 02:27, said:

annals.

I know you being facetious but of course anal is a adjective and annals is the plural for totally different word. Annals (Latin Annales, from annus, a year) are a concise form of historical writing which record events chronologically, year by year.
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Posted 2011-January-06, 11:19

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-January-05, 01:00, said:

This is an unfair knock against stratified games. In fact, stratified games pay less (in masterpoints) than flighted events of the same size because pairs that win in two categories only collect one award.

Clubs often don't have enough players to have flighted games, so the choice isn't between flighted and stratified, it's between open and stratified. Stratified allows the flight C players to win points that they would have little chance of getting in an open game.

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Posted 2011-January-06, 13:45

View Postcloa513, on 2011-January-06, 04:04, said:

I know you being facetious but of course anal is a adjective and annals is the plural for totally different word. Annals (Latin Annales, from annus, a year) are a concise form of historical writing which record events chronologically, year by year.


cloa513, meet blackshoe; blackshow, meet cloa513.

prime examples of annals.
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Posted 2011-February-03, 22:08

why is it that every time you correct someone's grammar or spelling you get called anal?

one thing's for sure, the plural of anal would not be anal's
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