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psyche exclusions Many free tournaments prohibit psyches. Is this reasonable?

#41 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-January-05, 17:29

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-January-05, 10:34, said:

IMO this needs to be reported to BBO as abuse of the TD rights and permissions. Clearly the TD has no clue about the rules of bridge and BBO needs to inform him of same and warn him that TD rights are revokeable.

To become a BBO TD you need only to be a BBO member in good standing, there is no requirement to know the rules of the game at all. Being granted BBO TD rights allows a person to create tournaments (the host), that person can then add anyone they please as "TD's".
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Posted 2011-January-05, 18:09

View Postjillybean, on 2011-January-05, 17:29, said:

To become a BBO TD you need only to be a BBO member in good standing, there is no requirement to know the rules of the game at all. Being granted BBO TD rights allows a person to create tournaments (the host), that person can then add anyone they please as "TD's".

true but this td was not only clueless, he was also careless (didnt anounce his own rules) and rude (kicked someone out without providing any explanation why). I think this should be enough reason to revoke the td rights, even if one accepts the premise that tds don't have to know the basics about the bridge laws.
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Posted 2011-January-06, 03:55

Please let us start to call them "hosts", because thats what they are. Some hosts have experience as TD and some don't.
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Posted 2011-January-06, 04:50

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Psychs are a legitimate element of normal bridge. IMO, however, it makes sense to ban psychs from some BBO tournaments:

* Many of competitors are beginners. Psychs may confuse their learning.
* As a BBO player, you alert and explain your own calls. Opponents are prone to cry foul if your explanation bears no relationship to your hand.
* It is easy to cheat on-line, so the fielding of psychs becomes more suspicious and generates more bad feeling than it would at face-to-face bridge.
* Many on-line tournaments are free. Some competitors are not the full shilling. Many have a low attention-span. In the past, when such players were doing badly, they would quit. Now runners are discouraged. So there is a strong temptation for such players to psych and fool around. This tendency must be discouraged because it can detract from the enjoyment of others.
* Some players try to get round system-restrictions by spurious claims that their banned conventional call is a "psych". (Personally, I don't approve of system restrictions but if we must have them, then I think that they should be enforced).
* Psychs attract director calls. On-line, few experienced directors are available.


* Psychs against beginners is not only bad conduct, but also bad strategy. There is no need for a rule against this, you can feel sorry for those who try this. In BBO, those who are beginners show this on their profile, so rather than F2F, you cannot say that you didn't know.
* You misunderstood #2: You explain your agreement, you don't have to tell what you have. If your agreement is 15-17 and you bid 1NT on 14 because you upgraded, you MUST write 15-17. If you psyched with 2 HCP and 6 you still must write 15-17.
* Fielding of psyches is a rare event, and there are easier ways to cheat than psyching. Cheaters who play the same tournament regularly get overconfident first and get caught second.
* Psyching because you are doing badly in a tournament is already covered in other rules.
* If people try to circumvent system restrictions that would mean a fielded psych. These are easily uncovered.
* The more director calls for psychs, the more opponents can be educated that they are part of the game. This is a important issue that is ignored by most bridge teachers, and by many of them purposely to enforce the myth that psyching is cheating. This needs to be countered with force.


In short, TDs who ban psychs themselves are guilty of upholding the myth that they are not part of the game, or are too lazy to deal with their important educational obligation.
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Posted 2011-January-06, 05:01

View PosthotShot, on 2011-January-06, 03:55, said:

Please let us start to call them "hosts", because thats what they are. Some hosts have experience as TD and some don't.
A BBO Tournament director assumes the director role, so it is reasonable to call him "director". Similarly, many Bridge club "directors" have no training or experience; but do an effective and useful job to enhance the enjoyment of players.
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Posted 2011-January-06, 05:45

View PostGerben42, on 2011-January-06, 04:50, said:

You misunderstood #2: You explain your agreement, you don't have to tell what you have. If your agreement is 15-17 and you bid 1NT on 14 because you upgraded, you MUST write 15-17. If you psyched with 2 HCP and 6 you still must write 15-17.
I understand the rules. Even in team-matches, however, when his hand deviates from a player's explanation of it, opponents often accuse him of cheating, (although the player correctly disclosed the partnership agreement).

View PostGerben42, on 2011-January-06, 04:50, said:

Fielding of psyches is a rare event, and there are easier ways to cheat than psyching. Cheaters who play the same tournament regularly get overconfident first and get caught second
There is a lot of confusion about psychs. What many players pass off as psychs are, in fact, concealed partnership agreements (eg about super-light third-seat openers and many so-called "tactical" bids). I don't think such players are deliberate "cheats" but Gerben42 is right that players would benefit from education about disclosure, "fielding" and so on.

View PostGerben42, on 2011-January-06, 04:50, said:

Psyching because you are doing badly in a tournament is already covered in other rules.
The rules forbid players from mucking about when they are out of contention. The problem is that there are lots of head-bangers among the competitors in free on-line tournaments. They are loose-cannons at the best of times; so, other than ban psychs, it is hard to know what the director can do about it.

Gerben42 makes many other excellent points. But all this re-education takes time. As others have mentioned there is a supervening problem that makes psych-bans a practical necessity for BBO tournaments. There often many competitors but just a few inexperienced directors.

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Posted 2011-January-06, 06:56

View Postnige1, on 2011-January-06, 05:01, said:

A BBO Tournament director assumes the director role, so it is reasonable to call him "director". Similarly, many Bridge club "directors" have no training or experience; but do an effective and useful job to enhance the experience of players.


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Posted 2011-January-06, 07:13

View Posthrothgar, on 2011-January-06, 06:56, said:

Any particular reason to be quoting that particular poem? (No objection - indeed, I think that I've used extracts from it before on the forums; however, its one of my all time favorites and its odd to see it suddenly appear)
It seemed appropriate to the context of expecting harassed on-line directors to patiently teach and gently persuade paranoid tournament-players to tolerate psychs and related subtleties -- rather than just getting on with a cruder but enjoyable game :)
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