[MrAce]

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I went down in this 6♣, still not sure if what crossed my mind makes sense or not. Would love to hear how would you roll in that slam.

West (Marshall Miles) led ♣T. How do you play the hand ? Would it change your line if you decided that ♣ are 3-2 ? (Actual deal ♣ 3-2)

HINT: Expect double dummy defense, since the bidding was too descriptive in terms of declarer's shape. (They both know i am short in ♥)

About bidding and alerts: 2♠ promises game or more, 4♣ sets the trump slamish, 4♦cue, 4♥ promises good hearts starting with Ace but denies a solid suit, denies to give 5-6 cashing ♥ in NT.

[cloa513]

Choice between setting hearts and ruffing a diamonds- diamonds offers slightly better chances. Cash K♣, Run the 9♦, if they cover then A♦ and another low diamond otherwise let it run. If its runs, then on probable club return then ruff a club if a heart obvious cash them to ditch a spade and diamond. ruff a diamond if need be. Later enter with a high spade and cash the clubs.

[Hanoi5]

I'd try the same as cloa513, although I could try winning the first trick in my hand before ♦A and another ♦. If I'm playing for diamonds 4-3 and hearts 4-3 wouldn't it be the same to ruff a heart and set up the eight? They haven't played a heart back yet anyway and they might blindly continue the trump defense.

Edit: Just saw the hand and the way to make it doesn't seem very...intuitive?

[Free]

Imo there's a very small extra chance if you play ♣AQ and develop your ♥. We need trumps 3-2 when playing on ♦, plus ♠ shouldn't be 6-1 (communication issues). If trumps happen to be 4-1 then you'll need ♥J9x to drop, and we still might finesse ♠QJ onside if that didn't happen.

[MrAce]

Free, on 2010-December-08, 03:50, said:

Imo there's a very small extra chance if you play ♣AQ and develop your ♥. We need trumps 3-2 when playing on ♦, plus ♠ shouldn't be 6-1 (communication issues). If trumps happen to be 4-1 then you'll need ♥J9x to drop, and we still might finesse ♠QJ onside if that didn't happen.

♣ were 3-2

[Free]

MrAce, on 2010-December-08, 04:53, said:

Free, on 2010-December-08, 03:50, said:

Imo there's a very small extra chance if you play ♣AQ and develop your ♥. We need trumps 3-2 when playing on ♦, plus ♠ shouldn't be 6-1 (communication issues). If trumps happen to be 4-1 then you'll need ♥J9x to drop, and we still might finesse ♠QJ onside if that didn't happen.

Question is asked assuming you decided for 3-2 ♣ break, and it was 3-2.

I know...

What happens when you play ♦Ax and they play a ♠? You have to guess immediately, RHO may overruff your ♦ much more frequently than LHO will ever overruff a ♥, and ♠ could be 6-1 in which case you'll be locked in dummy after ruffing your ♦. When playing ♣AQ you can even handle a 4-1 split in some cases. If they're 3-2 like you said in the OP, you can just go after ♥ with pretty high rate of success, having your ♣K as an entry.

[MrAce]

Free, on 2010-December-08, 05:07, said:

I know...

What happens when you play ♦Ax and they play a ♠? You have to guess immediately, RHO may overruff your ♦ much more frequently than LHO will ever overruff a ♥, and ♠ could be 6-1 in which case you'll be locked in dummy after ruffing your ♦. When playing ♣AQ you can even handle a 4-1 split in some cases. If they're 3-2 like you said in the OP, you can just go after ♥ with pretty high rate of success, having your ♣K as an entry.

I don't really care about them playing ♠ immediately. What if they play ♥ immediately ?

Thats why i cashed AQ ♣, and if it is 4-1 (obviously 4 RHO) my only chance would be to find someone with ♥ J92 and if not go for double ♠ finesse.

Lets assume i played and ducked a ♦ at trick 2 and they played a ♥ (which i think they will) i am totally screwed, i can ruff 1♦ but i can't cash 2 more ♥ unless they are 4-3. So i agree with your line for totally different reason. There are 2 options A) play on ♦s, as i showed requires 4-3 ♦ and 4-3 ♥ if they play ♥. Cash AQ ♣ and play on ♥ if 3-2 ♣, if 4-1 try to drop J9x ♥ and if not play on double ♠ finesse.

My partner disagreed with me, saying, it wasn't obvious for defense to find ♥ switch...To me ♥ switch is auto for defense unless they totally ignored my bidding...so i dunno, i just wanna know what people think. So far you are the only one that played and thought almost identical to me.

[nige1]

MrAce, on 2010-December-08, 02:12, said:

I went down in this 6♣, still not sure if what crossed my mind makes sense or not. Would love to hear how would you roll in that slam.
West (Marshall Miles) led ♣T. How do you play the hand ? Would it change your line if you decided that ♣ are 3-2 ? (Actual deal ♣ 3-2)
HINT: Expect double dummy defense, since the bidding was too descriptive in terms of declarer's shape. (They both know i am short in ♥)
About bidding and alerts: 2♠ promises game or more, 4♣ sets the trump slamish, 4♦cue, 4♥ promises good hearts starting with Ace but denies a solid suit, denies to give 5-6 cashing ♥ in NT.

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IMO ♣AQ. Run ♥T. Hoping to make 2x♠, 4x♥, 1x♦, 5x♣. Relying on favourable ♣ and ♥ breaks or ♥9 dropping or doubleton ♠QJ.

[MrAce]

nige1, on 2010-December-08, 05:47, said:

IMO ♣AQ. Run ♥T. Hoping to make 2x♠, 4x♥, 1x♦, 5x♣. Relying on favourable ♣ and ♥ breaks or ♥9 dropping or doubleton ♠QJ.

You hit the jackpot ! Thats where i went wrong, instead of running ♥T i made a silly play of going to ♥A and ruff a small♥

[Fluffy]

Playing in diamonds is ridicoulous, opponents will play hearts for sure.

[l milne]

Yeah agree that defenders will play hearts (I've read Marshall's books on defense). My instinct was heart and a ruff, but running the Ten is better. Good line nige1.

[Free]

Can anyone explain why running the T is so much better than ruffing a ♥?

[Fluffy]

catters for ♥9x on RHO's hands wich happened to be the case, also for ♥9x in LHO's hands

[gnasher]

Fluffy, on 2010-December-08, 08:23, said:

Playing in diamonds is ridicoulous, opponents will play hearts for sure.

They probably won't play hearts if the hearts are 4-3 but RHO is overuffing diamonds. The time that they have to play hearts is when hearts are 5-2 and the hand with two hearts has three trumps.

[nige1]

Fluffy, on 2010-December-09, 03:14, said:

catters for ♥9x on RHO's hands which happened to be the case, also for ♥9x in LHO's hands

Lucky! Also the unlikely ...
♥9 singleton with RHO.
♥9 singleton and doubleton ♣ with LHO.

[MrAce]

gnasher, on 2010-December-09, 03:24, said:

They probably won't play hearts if the hearts are 4-3 but RHO is overuffing diamonds. The time that they have to play hearts is when hearts are 5-2 and the hand with two hearts has three trumps.

But also playing on ♦ gives up when 4-1 ♣ with J9x ♥ falling and/or double ♠ finesse working.

@ Free : Yes, running the T is % play in ♥ suit, which i failed to see at the table, it took me some time to decide playing on ♥ due to reasons you explained, to be honest i didn't see the running ♥T play for some reason. I made a mistake and paid for it, ♥ were 9x on my left and Jxxxx on my right.