[Chamaco]

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But just as I think not all players who play in world championship events are world class, I choose to characterize all grandmasters as "world class". In a sense, of course, the titel grand master means world class in chess...but there are grand masters and then there are champions... and there is as much difference between Gary Kasparov (spelling) and lower grandmasters, like american Joel Benjamin and there is between between Fred and me in bridge.
ben

Referring to the latest ELO FIDE list (http://www.maskeret....gi?jul04frl.zip), I think that most of the top 50 ELO listed cannot be discarded from a "world class" award, and I believe this is a common feeling in nthe chess community. To thses, we have to incluide many other players who have decided to stop playing regularly for others activities (e.g. coaching etc), such as Yusupov, Dolmatov, Ulf Andersson, and many more.

I mean, I do not think that a world class is necessarily someone who will fight for the world championship.

So I agree with the statement that a GM in chess is world class almost by definition.
And I also obviously agree that *some* of the GMs are of another planet compared to the rest :-)

[TimG]

I didn't start this thread in order to complain about people rating themselves World Class. Players will over rate themselves, that's part of life. Some think they're better than they are and some intentionally rate themselves higher than they are for a variety of reasons. Such is life.

I just wanted to see if my idea of World Class was out of line with what others thought. Thanks for playing.

[skorchev]

Oops, I thought the poll is World Classes in BBO only, but it's for the world. So I think there are 150-200 trully World Class players!

Stefan

[dogsbreath]

hi ..
there's another sad reason for rating self as 'expert' .. try getting onto a team match with a 'rating' of advanced or less ..you get very few invites I prefer to play teams, so i became an expert
It's pathetic, but it does increase the number of invites. ..wont last long though.. soon all will be experts
Rgd Dog

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furnulum pani nolo

[paulhar]

dogsbreath, on Aug 30 2004, 06:35 PM, said:

It's pathetic, but it does increase the number of invites. ..wont last long though.. soon all will be experts

Not all of us

I'm not an expert because:
- I don't enjoy success at national events
- I can read the rules

The experts clearly don't meet both of the above criteria.

Yes, I've been shut out of tables that would be 'perfect' for me but it's a small price to pay for honesty IMO

[Rebound]

It occurred to me that perhaps providing members with a reminder of the existing definitions of each catagory might influence them to adjust their ratings to a more suitable category. I don't know how many would take the hint, but it seems worth a try.

Of course, a significant number would likely continue to overrate themselves causing the situation to return eventually, but it might provide a nice break from this annoyance.