mtvesuvius, on 2010-November-03, 09:12, said:
I would treat this as penalty, however Andy's auction above I think I would play as penalty as well. A 3♣ call in the second auction seems like the "takeout double," and a 2♠ call in the first one is the same. I think that in this auction it is much likelier to have a penalty double (how else do you bid this hand now?) than to have a takeout double where bidding 2♠/3♣ would be a problem.
I'm sure standard is penalty, but I think that Standard is right for a change
I'm sure standard is penalty, but I think that Standard is right for a change
There is a subtle difference though: when opening bid was 1♥ and you passed first, you won't have a decent hand with 5 spades; when opening bid was 1♠ on your right, you could still have 5+ clubs with some value but not enough to overcall.