Bidding question on rebid?
#21
Posted 2010-October-27, 06:56
#22
Posted 2010-October-27, 07:13
mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-27, 06:56, said:
You think so? The Sharples twins didn't have keycard and they were amongst the best bidders of all time.
#23
Posted 2010-October-27, 07:28
bucky, on 2010-October-26, 11:26, said:
Agree. In particular, there is a vast amount of detail work regarding the meaning of opener's rebids. As this thread shows, there are many methods/treatments/expectations in this department.
To really properly play 2/1 with a new partner that I plan to play with semi-regularly, I would need answers to the following questions at a minimum. There are many ways to answer these. Being on the same page is important, but what two players, in isolation, will answer them all the same?
What does opener's reverse show? (1H-2D-2S)?
What does opener's high reverse show? (1H-2D-3C)?
What does opener's jump rebid show? (1H-2D-3H)?
What does opener's jump shift show? (1H-2C-3D)?
Does opener's simple rebid promise 6 cards? (1H-2C-2H)?
What do opener's jump and non-jump notrump rebids show?
Is 2C over 1D forcing to game?
Is game still forced if responder rebids his suit? (1H-2C-2D-3C)?
In gerenal, who is expected to be captain in a 2/1 sequence?
.. and also answers for several of these questions in forcing 1NT auctions.
-gwnn
#24
Posted 2010-October-27, 09:18
the hog, on 2010-October-27, 07:13, said:
This always reminds me of Justin's recent post reply:
http://forums.bridge...pic=41586&st=15
QUOTE (manudude03 @ Sep 14 2010, 07:04 AM)
I've heard people say that the best way to improve slam bidding is to not have any ace asking bids at all, then you can phase in whatever to avoid the slams off 2 aces, it will show you how rarely blackwood is actually needed.
Justin Lall :
"Lol what?"
"Keycard is bid on almost every slam hand at all levels, and when it isn't it's usually because there was a quantitative auction like 2N-4N-6N, or the opponents preempted you out of being about to bid keycard. This is not for no reason, keycard is absolutely vital to slam bidding, GL trying to cuebid your way into every slam correctly."
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#25
Posted 2010-October-27, 10:00
ajain456, on 2010-October-26, 17:48, said:
Do I have to bid further to proceed to slam?
I did not try for slam.
Am I at fault for not trying slam?
What is the bidding sequence to get to slam in 2/1 method?
Thanks.
Where the opponent at the other table bids grand slam on precision method and made it.
We lost by one imp.
My sequence is similar to Mike's ... except that my "cheapest K-ask" is a specific K-ask and if I by-pass the cheapest K-ask, then it is a 3rd Rnd Ctrl-ask in the bid suit ( Q or xx doubleton ):
1S - 2H ( 2/1 GF )
2S(6+) - 3S ( 2 or 3 cards )
4C - 4D
4NT(RKC) - 5H ( 2 - sQ )
5NT - 6C ( cK )
6D( cheapest 2nd K-ask) - 6H ( hK )
??
counting 6s, 2h, 2d, 2c = 12
-- 7NT needs Diam hook
-- 7S needs either a 3-3 Ht split, or hQJ bare, or fall back on Diam hook
( Either needs 3-2 Sp split )
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#26
Posted 2010-October-27, 11:37
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2010-October-27, 10:00, said:
On 4-2 hearts you can ruff out the suit for the 13th trick.
-gwnn
#28
Posted 2010-October-27, 14:03
#29
Posted 2010-October-27, 15:05
... that makes the odds higher for 7S.
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#30
Posted 2010-October-27, 23:47
the hog, on 2010-October-27, 01:16, said:
KQJxxxx
xx
Ax
Kx
5NT usually says "bid 7 with 2 of the top 3 hons".
Perhaps you have different bidding rules to me but with such a hand I do not think I would advance to the 5 level with a cue. 5NT is the grand slam force but it is more normal to play responses that make better use of the available space such as 7S for AKQ; 6C for any 1 honour; and 6D/H/NT for KQ/AQ/AK. But you are right that the RKCB auction is better - I just found it amusing to see a way of bidding this which would look at home more than half a century ago.
#31
Posted 2010-October-28, 05:22
bucky, on 2010-October-27, 14:03, said:
7NT is only 50% ( the Diam hook )
7S : Ht split 3-3 .... 35%
..................4-3 .... 48%
.............................83%
Add to that falling back onto the Diam hook: 50% of remaining 17% = 8.5%
.......... or over 91% .
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Both need 3-2 trump split ( 68% ) or 4-1 w/stiff J ( add 5% ) or 73%
7NT: = 73% x 50% = about 37% overall
7S : = 73% x 91% = about 66% overall
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#32
Posted 2010-October-28, 05:30
mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-27, 06:56, said:
Sure, but the hand I gave will answer 5S as a response to the 4NT inquiry,
and missing only 1 KC 5S will get raised to 6S.
And one may or may not want to be in 6S with
KQxxxx vs. 10x
as trump suit.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#33
Posted 2010-October-30, 15:49