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Posted 2010-October-23, 13:56

You hold:


The auction starts at your left (opps NV, we V):
1♥ - pass - 3♥! - Dbl
4♦! - pass - 4♥ - ???
(3♥=4+♥ with 10 losers ; 4♦=control)

- Do you agree with Dbl?
- What now?
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Posted 2010-October-23, 15:07

dbl is fine, now 5♦
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Posted 2010-October-23, 15:13

double and double. we have a huge hand. I don't like 5♦ now because we can go down a lot. Obviously bad will be if partner pulls to 4♠ on a 4 card suit but I think that's rare. if he has 0 points and balanced or semi-balanced with 4 spades, he should pass.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 16:13

X, X for me.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 18:36

yeah a double double for me too.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 18:36

Agree with X before, I'll bid 5D now... True we can go down a lot, but being NV, I would imagine LHO might mess around with a 4♦ bid on their way to saving in 4H.

Although X is "securing" a positive score, I am greedy :)
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Posted 2010-October-25, 02:27

Partner had the following:


I (North) doubled twice, and partner passed 4♥. All reasonable actions in our opinion.

Can we find the slam somehow, without resulting? ;)
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Posted 2010-October-25, 02:50

What is 4♥ over opps 3♥ in your system?
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Posted 2010-October-25, 02:58

View PosthotShot, on 2010-October-25, 02:50, said:

What is 4♥ over opps 3♥ in your system?

Not really discussed, but I'd assume some good 5♠-5m hand.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 03:07

I think both of you bid well.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 04:58

View Postgwnn, on 2010-October-23, 15:13, said:

double and double. we have a huge hand. I don't like 5♦ now because we can go down a lot. Obviously bad will be if partner pulls to 4♠ on a 4 card suit but I think that's rare. if he has 0 points and balanced or semi-balanced with 4 spades, he should pass.

I don't see how we can go down a lot in 5♦.
In a worst case scenario we could lose 2♠, a ♣ and 2-3 trumps, but .....
We know that RHO has 4+♥ and partner has 4-♥. Partner is likely to have only 5-6 cards in the black suits, so there is a good chance we won't lose 3 cards in the black suits, holding 4 top-tricks in the black suits.

Since LHO has shown a void in ♦ partner and RHO share 7 ♦ cards. We have a ♦ fit. If we can finesse, the missing ♦ honors are onside. If partner has 4♦ we won't lose more than a ♦ trick, if he has only 3 his share of the missing QJT8xxx will also limit the number of ♦ loser to 0 to 2.

Distribution has to be very bad for us to be more than 1 down.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 05:15

I was trying to say that a lot of the time we will go down in 5♦, not that we will go down several tricks. Sloppy English by me.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 07:02

try icelandic then :P
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Posted 2010-October-25, 09:37

q1) yes
q2) X
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