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#1 User is offline   karlson 

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Posted 2010-October-22, 06:06

1. r/r mp. Q J KQxx KT9xxxx

lho deals
1-p-1-2 (agree?)
2-3N-p-p (agree?)
4-x-p-

2. w/w mp. J xxx AQJxx AKJx
you deal
1-1-3(weak)-4
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Posted 2010-October-22, 06:57

1) partner apparently has significant values and I have sufficient defense for my pitiful 2 overcall, so I pass.

2) Why should I go down when they probably will as well....pass
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Posted 2010-October-22, 07:08

On 1, I pass.
On 2, I'm a bidder. It may make or it may be a good sac or it may push them to 5S. Too many ways to go right imo.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 07:45

1) Pass, partner could have passed 4 with not much (Kx) in hearts and a lot (AQx) in clubs.

2) 5, it could work out badly of course, but I don't think this is at all close.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 08:01

1. pass
2. 5, there are more ways to win than to lose
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Posted 2010-October-22, 09:34

1. I would have bid 3 the first time. I guess I pass but I am not at all comfortable- maybe there's a spade ruff to be hand.

2. This is very close at MPs. I think this is a brutal problem - I played with some likely shapes pard has with and without a heart card. The biggest reason to bid 5 is that you might get a 5 call from someone, but that does not seem very likely. I will pass.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 10:27

I like Phil's analysis on both hands, but I lean towards 5, maybe they just forget to double us who knows?
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Posted 2010-October-22, 10:41

Pass on the first, 5 on the second.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 12:09

On 1 I guess I agree with the auction up to now. Now I just have to bite the bullet and pass. IDK what LHO's deal is, either he's crafty or dumb. Partner could easily be bonesing a known dog-walker. The J in our hand is a bad sign. Partner probably is staring at Kx and a couple of bullets and thinks we can get a trick (which we may with KQ) but probably doesn't know that we're in danger of taking zero club tricks. But I don't feel confident about our chances in 5, we'd probably be the only ones in the room in that contract. This very well may be a FP scenario since the auction is so stupid.

On the 2nd hand I think that 5 is poorly judged. Partner is likely 2353, or very close, and we have zero chance of making 5 when RHO is probably bidding 4 on his void. Well we've got a couple of clubs coming and possibly a misguess on the Q, bidding 5 just hands them 300 instead of making them work for a plus. This isn't a situation where I need to decide on double, pass or bid, obviously, just the last 2.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 12:14

300 is fine if they had 420 available 50+% of the time. I don't think we'll make any reasonable % of the time but I don't think we'll go for 500 either so it all boils down to whether we think 4S makes more often than not. I think it does so 5 it is.

(the first one is an easy pass of course.)
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Posted 2010-October-22, 15:30

1) With only 2 cards in the majors, "preempting opponents" comes to my mind. I would bid 3 and then pass throughout with clear conscience.

2) Tough guess. I'm guessing 5 but won't be surprised if it is wrong.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-22, 16:44

What do most people play 1-P-1-2 as ?

I know partner and I will bid 2 4-6 (at this vul, 4-5 at some others), 2 6-4 2N 5-5 in the minors, and I'd do this here.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:05

View PostCyberyeti, on 2010-October-22, 16:44, said:

What do most people play 1-P-1-2 as ?

I know partner and I will bid 2 4-6 (at this vul, 4-5 at some others), 2 6-4 2N 5-5 in the minors, and I'd do this here.

The standard meaning of 2 here would be spades. I suppose 2m followed by 2NT could show 4-6/6-4 shape in minors. 2N would be 5-5 or better in the minors. I don't have 2 defined, maybe it can be used to show spades + minor.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-23, 03:45

I have no idea what the 2 bid shows, spades and a minor makes the most sense, but if my hand suggest its natural it is natural.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 03:49

Results for those that care.

On the first partner not unreasonably chose to raise diamonds with xxx Axxx T9xxx x. I bid 5 and was lucky to get out for -1 when 4 obviously had no play. Not sure any particular lesson is there but I caught a lot of flak for bidding.

The second was just a bad 5 bid by me which falls into the category of not trusting partner. Partner had AKx Qxx Axx Qxxx. That is probably a pass of 3N even, but doubling was going to work well today when lefty had only 7 hearts and was going for 800.

P.S. 2 would have been natural though I agree that's probably not best when they open a 5-card major. On the other hand, even if I could have shown 4-6 in the minors, I don't think I would have; this hand wants to play clubs. I would definitely want to keep my 2 showing spades fwiw.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 04:08

Pass on both. I think 5D on the second is a very poor bid. 4S may well go down.
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Posted 2010-October-27, 02:00

On hand #1, I would have bid 3 and then passed with a clear conscience. Pass is my second choice--the suit is poor for red vs. red. But I wouldn't consider a 2 bid with so little defense.

Hand #2 i a pure guess. It really depends on partnership standards for 3--I would have more shape, in which case bidding 5 is obvious.
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