[shep]

What would you assume with a pick-up partner if your only discussion is agreeing on the BB-Advanced convention card.

[matmat]

you are aware that BBO advanced is an actual system with actual definitions?

http://bridge.downag...hp?bod=1NP2DP2H

http://bridge.downag...hp?bod=1NP2HP2S

so i would be assuming nothing.

[fake_user+double 1@forums.bridgebase.com]

Sequence #1: 5+ hearts, 4+ spades, forcing to 2NT or 3M.

DHL: where did my "!" go?

[Free]

The first I would assume 5+♥, 4♠, invitational (with GF hands I'd assume Smolen). Not sure if this is internationally played like this.
2nd is clear GF 5-5M

[TWO4BRIDGE]

When it comes to the Majors, it is desireable to have sequences for:
a) weak
b ) invite
c) GF, no slam intention and/or
d) GF, slammish

Hand One -- I agree with Free:
1NT - 2D!
2H - 2S = widely accepted as 5s/4h (b )invite because with a GF and/or slammish, you have (c and d)Smolen and with a weak 4/4,5/5, or 5s/4h you have (a)"trash" Stayman: 1NT - 2C : 2D - 2H

Second Hand:
1NT - 2H!
2S - 3H = (d) 5/5 GF, slammish; Opener bids 3S accepting Sp or anything else (4C/4D) preaccepts Hts with a cuebid.
The (a) 5/5 weak was shown above and the (b ) 5/5 invite is shown with 1NT - 3Hjump and with (c )5/5 GF , game only, you have 1NT - 3Sjump = choice of games.

[RJWP]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2010-October-22, 05:17, said:

When it comes to the Majors, it is desireable to have sequences for:
a) weak
b ) invite
c) GF, no slam intention and/or
d) GF, slammish

Hand One -- I agree with Free:
1NT - 2D!
2H - 2S = widely accepted as 5s/4h (b )invite because with a GF and/or slammish, you have (c and d)Smolen and with a weak 4/4,5/5, or 5s/4h you have (a)"trash" Stayman: 1NT - 2C : 2D - 2H

Second Hand:
1NT - 2H!
2S - 3H = (d) 5/5 GF, slammish; Opener bids 3S accepting Sp or anything else (4C/4D) preaccepts Hts with a cuebid.
The (a) 5/5 weak was shown above and the (b ) 5/5 invite is shown with 1NT - 3Hjump and with (c )5/5 GF , game only, you have 1NT - 3Sjump = choice of games.

Why all this slammish direct: on firtst hand 1rf but not GF; over 2N/3N bid 3N tp (no fit) or 4N quant. othet seq of course possible

on snd hand 5+♠ 4+♥ GF over 3N 4♥ tp any 4m 5-5 slamgoing

[Bbradley62]

matmat, on 2010-October-21, 12:06, said:

you are aware that BBO advanced is an actual system with actual definitions?

so i would be assuming nothing.

Agreed. The BBO Advanced convention card (Version 1.3) is available as one of the Stock Convention Cards under My BBO, so if you've agreed to play it you can load that card for everyone to see. You can also go to My BBO and select that card and walk through various sequences to see their meanings. According to BBO Advanced 1.3, your first auction is a game invitation with 5+♥ and 4+♠. The second sequence shows a game force with 5+/5+. With an invitiational hand and 5♠ and 4♥ you'd start with 2♣ and bid 2♠ over 2♦. With a game-forcing (5/4) you'd start with 2♣ and use Smolen over 2♦.

[shep]

I am used to Smolen as a choice-of-games strength bid. To clarify,
1NT : 2♣ : 2♦ : 3♠ : does opener cue bid to show a good hand with 3 hearts, and bid 4H to discourage slam chances? You lose the transfer part of Smolen that way, but otherwise there is no room for slam "tries".

[shep]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2010-October-22, 05:17, said:

When it comes to the Majors, it is desireable to have sequences for:
a) weak
b ) invite
c) GF, no slam intention and/or
d) GF, slammish

Hand One -- I agree with Free:
1NT - 2D!
2H - 2S = widely accepted as 5s/4h (b )invite because with a GF and/or slammish, you have (c and d)Smolen and with a weak 4/4,5/5, or 5s/4h you have (a)"trash" Stayman: 1NT - 2C : 2D - 2H

Second Hand:
1NT - 2H!
2S - 3H = (d) 5/5 GF, slammish; Opener bids 3S accepting Sp or anything else (4C/4D) preaccepts Hts with a cuebid.
The (a) 5/5 weak was shown above and the (b ) 5/5 invite is shown with 1NT - 3Hjump and with (c )5/5 GF , game only, you have 1NT - 3Sjump = choice of games.

I actually like playing 3H and 3S to show invitational and choice of games with 5-5 majors, but BB-Advanced specifies these bids as showing 5-4 minors with a singleton in the major you bid.

[kenberg]

Of course if BBO Standard is stipulated then we consult BBO Standard. But since the question is asked I assume we should take that stipulation lightly and think of it more as "What do you think someone who says they play BBO usually means by it?"

Common hands have to be biddable. Partner opens 1NT and I hold five hearts, four spades, and, say, a 9 count. I am assuming here that 1N-2♣-2♦-2♥ is weak rather than invit. If I cannot show this hand by transferring to hearts and bidding 2♠ then how do I show it? A regular partnership may have a different answer, but surely the default is that this sequence is the way to show 4-5 invit.


I am, from time to time, lucky enough to be dealt a gf 5-5. If bidding 3♠ shows that hand then that's what I do. If not, I trf to spades and bid 3♥. Opener bids 3♠ to set spades and leave room for exploration, or he cues at the four level to set hearts. If he opened a minimum that is not looking any better, he skips the cue and bids 4 of whatever he wants to play. I regard this as standard enough to use it without prior discussion.

[mgoetze]

I think everyone who didn't vote "other" and "5+-5+ majors forcing to game" is doing something wrong.