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duck the king?

Poll: What does 'duck the king' mean? (49 member(s) have cast votes)

What does 'duck the king' mean?

  1. Your opponent plays low to AQ and you don't play the king (31 votes [63.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.27%

  2. Your opponent plays low to KQ and you don't play the ace (18 votes [36.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.73%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-October-18, 06:07

This might be much more uncontroversial than my previous thread similar to this. Still. The poll options assume that you are 4th hand over dummy (S is declarer, playing from hand, and you are E).
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Posted 2010-October-18, 07:20

Can we have an "either" option, please?
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Posted 2010-October-18, 07:21

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Posted 2010-October-18, 07:26

It depends on which card you hold :unsure:

I voted that I hold the K and don't take a trick with it.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 07:43

whi does dummy have to have the queen? can't I duck the king when dummy has K765432?
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Posted 2010-October-18, 08:07

I didn't mean to imply that dummy had to hold the queen. I just wanted to illustrate with two clear examples. similarly, you can play low from K432 when declarer played low to ten from AT65.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 08:53

I voted for ducking while holding the king. I often say and hear of ducking the ace, when declarer leads towards AQ and plays the ace, you're not going to not duck are you?.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 10:21

You forgot an option for "who cares" :rolleyes:

I suppose if want to be nitpicky, I would argue that "duck" as used in bridge is an intransitive verb, so the proper usage in either case is simply "duck", with no object. For example, "he finessed and I ducked" or "he played up to the king and I ducked".
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Posted 2010-October-18, 10:42

billw55, on Oct 18 2010, 04:21 PM, said:

You forgot an option for "who cares" :rolleyes:

I suppose if want to be nitpicky, I would argue that "duck" as used in bridge is an intransitive verb, so the proper usage in either case is simply "duck", with no object. For example, "he finessed and I ducked" or "he played up to the king and I ducked".

To duck is noth a transitive and intransitive verb.

South ducks in order to sever declarer's communications.
South ducks declarer's king, severing communications.
South ducks his king, severing communcations.

I think the more common object is declarer's card but as you point out this is ambiguous. Using a possessive pronoun is simple whenever the speaker/writer needs to break an ambiguity.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 12:53

You can also add a comma, and you have:

duck, the king

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Posted 2010-October-18, 12:58

Fluffy, on Oct 18 2010, 08:53 PM, said:

You can also add a comma, and you have:

duck, the king

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Posted 2010-October-18, 13:49

I vote (sorry don't vote) that 'duck the King' quite literally means nothing to me.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 14:16

IMO, you duck the opponent's card by withholding yours
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Posted 2010-October-18, 15:21

what a bunch of quackery
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Posted 2010-October-18, 15:40

Csaba: English can be a tough language, for sure.

What would it mean in Romanian language?

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Posted 2010-October-20, 04:15

View PostDouble !, on 2010-October-18, 15:40, said:

Csaba: English can be a tough language, for sure.

What would it mean in Romanian language?

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I haven't read much Romanian literature but I think they just say 'play small'. In Hungarian you would say a word (kihagyni) that you'd usually use for "miss" (like miss a goal in soccer/hockey) but now I'm confused as I can't seem to remember if you miss the king or the queen! I think you "miss" the trick usually but they also use both K and Q. my head is spinning!
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Posted 2010-October-20, 10:48

Your opponent plays low toward the A Q and he " finesses the Q ".

YOU hold the K ( behind-- or "over the "-- Q ) and you decide not to overtake but instead you "duck the K " .
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Posted 2010-October-20, 12:09

Duck the king doesn't sound very grammatically correct to me! Voted for the second as I think the first should be 'duck(ing) to the K'. That said, I am not very convinced that the second option is right!
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Posted 2010-October-20, 12:31

View Postgwnn, on 2010-October-20, 04:15, said:

I haven't read much Romanian literature but I think they just say 'play small'. In Hungarian you would say a word (kihagyni) that you'd usually use for "miss" (like miss a goal in soccer/hockey) but now I'm confused as I can't seem to remember if you miss the king or the queen! I think you "miss" the trick usually but they also use both K and Q. my head is spinning!

The Romanian word is "to delay" and if you want to say "delay the king" of course it means you have the king and you delay the moment that you play it.
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Posted 2010-October-20, 15:54

If you hold Axxx, and dummy on your left has KQxx, and declarer leads towards the King, you have ducked the Ace not the King, so maybe it is the same when sitting over dummy.

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