[Little Kid]

Scoring: IMP

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I opened 1♠ as South, should we have found this slam? You play two-way drury and LSGT+SSGT over the 2♠ response. So you can jump to 4♦ to show a void or bid 3♥ to show the suit.

[Flameous]

I think this is quite luck dependent. If you bid 3H partner is happy to raise you to 4 and you can easily bid 6, cause queens in both majors is pretty much the min partner can have for accept. But if you show your void, half of your partners' values are dead and he won't be co-operating in any way.

[Cyberyeti]

On hands where you want to bid game opposite a response, I find opening 1♥ works best on big 5-5s. The reason being that partner frequently responds 1N and the 2♠ rebid is easier to handle than 3♥. This hand, partner and I would bid:

1♥-1♠-4♦-4♠-4N-5♣-5♥-6♠

4♦ is exclusion, 4♠ says I am very minimum, 4N is re-exclusion, 5♥ says bid 6 with the Q♥.

[pooltuna]

Cyberyeti, on Oct 17 2010, 03:14 PM, said:

On hands where you want to bid game opposite a response, I find opening 1♥ works best  on big 5-5s. The reason being that partner frequently responds 1N and the 2♠ rebid is easier to handle than 3♥. This hand, partner and I would bid:

1♥-1♠-4♦-4♠-4N-5♣-5♥-6♠

4♦ is exclusion, 4♠ says I am very minimum, 4N is re-exclusion, 5♥ says bid 6 with the Q♥.

Oh, really!

[Phil]

Flameous, on Oct 17 2010, 02:47 PM, said:

I think this is quite luck dependent. If you bid 3H partner is happy to raise you to 4 and you can easily bid 6, cause queens in both majors is pretty much the min partner can have for accept. But if you show your void, half of your partners' values are dead and he won't be co-operating in any way.

I think you can get to 6 several ways and I do not think it is dependent on luck. I think its poor to show the shortness instead of the length, so:

After 1♠ - 2♠ - 3♥ -

- North really has a 4♠ call with 2 big cards and a 4th trump. South will move toward slam.

- Even if North pulls back with 3♠, South cues 4♣ and North can cue the ♥Q. You should still get to slam as no ♦ cue is great news for South.

[Phil]

Cyberyeti, on Oct 17 2010, 03:14 PM, said:

On hands where you want to bid game opposite a response, I find opening 1♥ works best on big 5-5s.

wat?

[whereagles]

I don't think I would reach it.

[Cascade]

After 1♠ 2♠ I am not sure I would get there.

After 3♥ responder is only a marginal 4♠ at best.

♥Q is good as is the 4th trump.

But the rest of the hand is rubbish.

And a minimum rubbish at that.

If responder does accept the game try then opener can bash slam.

My partnership would have almost no hope as we only have short suit tries

[Zelandakh]

Cascade, on Oct 17 2010, 09:24 PM, said:

After 1♠ 2♠ I am not sure I would get there.

After 3♥ responder is only a marginal 4♠ at best.

♥Q is good as is the 4th trump.

But the rest of the hand is rubbish.

And a minimum rubbish at that.

If responder does accept the game try then opener can bash slam.

My partnership would have almost no hope as we only have short suit tries

If only playing SSGTs it would make sense to me to then use a new suit after a 3M sign-off as a good suit with slam interest. So 1S - 2S - 3D - 3S - 4H would then show this hand and Responder can re-evaluate their hand based on this information.

[Cascade]

Yes that thought occurred to me too.

I will add it to the things to discuss

Unfortunately we might have burnt our bridges by showing a void on the previous round.

[rhm]

I think you will never get cooperation from responder unless opener is prepared to bid above game and opener should realize that.
Responder should not use Drury because his hand is far too weak.
On the other hand opener has around 2.5 loser and is huge when responder raises. A direct jump to 6♥ over 2♠ would not be unreasonable. This may get you too high but would also allow responder to bid a grand if his values are all in the majors.

The bidding might go

1♠ -- 2 ♠
3♥ -- 3 ♠
4♦ -- 4 ♠
5♣ -- 5 ♥
6♠

4♦ should show shortage after LSGT.

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

Phil, on Oct 17 2010, 03:40 PM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 17 2010, 03:14 PM, said:

On hands where you want to bid game opposite a response, I find opening 1♥ works best  on big 5-5s.

wat?

I'm holding the big major 5-5 hand, let's say partner has the sort of random hand he often has, say:

xx, Qx, Q109xxx, Qxx or maybe the minors are the other way round.

I open 1♠, partner bids 1N, I bid 3♥, partner bids 3N, do I bid 4♥ (and find partner is actually 1165), do I play 3N which is fine if partner has diamonds, but I want to be in 6♣ if he has clubs while 3N may be going down.

If I open 1♥, partner bids 1N, I bid 2♠, partner bids the minor he actually has and I'm rather better placed, if he bids 2N I can bid 3♣ or 3♠ depending on style.

[hanp]

You should play with Fluffy. Then one of you will distort his suit lengths with minimal hands, the other on maximal hands.

[Fluffy]

Cyberyeti, on Oct 18 2010, 01:07 PM, said:

If I open 1♥, partner bids 1N, I bid 2♠ LHO bids 2NT, RHO bids 4♦ and I am very happy now

FYP

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You should play with Fluffy. Then one of you will distort his suit lengths with minimal hands, the other on maximal hands.

Very funny, I open the next hand 1♠ with ♠KJ10xx♥-♦Ax♣AQJxxx and the opponents won't believe it lol.

[hanp]

Fluffy, on Oct 18 2010, 08:47 AM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 18 2010, 01:07 PM, said:

If I open 1♥, partner bids 1N, I bid 2♠ LHO bids 2NT, RHO bids 4♦ and I am very happy now

FYP

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You should play with Fluffy. Then one of you will distort his suit lengths with minimal hands, the other on maximal hands.

Very funny, I open the next hand 1♠ with ♠KJ10xx ♥-♦Ax♣AQJxxx ♥AQJxxx♦Ax♣- and the opponents won't believe it lol.

FYP

[bid_em_up]

Cyberyeti, on Oct 17 2010, 04:14 PM, said:

On hands where you want to bid game opposite a response, I find opening 1♥ works best  on big 5-5s. The reason being that partner frequently responds 1N and the 2♠ rebid is easier to handle than 3♥. This hand, partner and I would bid:

1♥-1♠-4♦-4♠-4N-5♣-5♥-6♠

4♦ is exclusion, 4♠ says I am very minimum, 4N is re-exclusion, 5♥ says bid 6 with the Q♥.

If partner is responding 1♠ on ♠QT87 ♥Q83 ♦QJ6 ♣653 after a 1♥ opening, I think you have more things to worry about than getting to slam on this particular hand.

(edit: this is stated from a 2/1 or SAYC context, I suppose you could be playing something else where this is normal)

[keylime]

Even I the happy strong clubber, don't get to this one. Chalk it up to right cards and right splits.

[Fluffy]

hanp, on Oct 18 2010, 02:05 PM, said:

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Very funny, I open the next hand 1♠ with ♠KJ10xx ♥-♦Ax♣AQJxxx ♥AQJxxx♦Ax♣- and the opponents won't believe it lol.

FYP

Hehe that's exactly what I originally wrote, but then I chaged my mind cos with clubs spades people tend to do something rare even with 5-5 so making the point more clear

[Cyberyeti]

bid_em_up, on Oct 18 2010, 11:24 AM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 17 2010, 04:14 PM, said:

On hands where you want to bid game opposite a response, I find opening 1♥ works best  on big 5-5s. The reason being that partner frequently responds 1N and the 2♠ rebid is easier to handle than 3♥. This hand, partner and I would bid:

1♥-1♠-4♦-4♠-4N-5♣-5♥-6♠

4♦ is exclusion, 4♠ says I am very minimum, 4N is re-exclusion, 5♥ says bid 6 with the Q♥.

If partner is responding 1♠ on ♠QT87 ♥Q83 ♦QJ6 ♣653 after a 1♥ opening, I think you have more things to worry about than getting to slam on this particular hand.

(edit: this is stated from a 2/1 or SAYC context, I suppose you could be playing something else where this is normal)

Yes habitually play 4cM acol so this is a routine 1♠ response, I was unaware 2/1 or SAYC insisted on playing in 5-3 fits with 4-4s available.

[dake50]

Don't you always get Heart to HA, and H-ruff on these hands? Or HA +CQ lose when S:0-4?
Prefer to be in 6S. Partner has only SQ+HQ to promote. Tough.