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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2010-October-16, 20:38

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After miscounting your points (having shown 15+), you end in 6NTX (doubled by LHO).

Lead: A followed by Q. Plan the play.
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Posted 2010-October-16, 21:04

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Oh damn. Why are my tens always in the wrong hands :) Then I'll just go for 3-3 hearts as everything else seems like a lot to ask. Of course run the diamonds first. My pseudo progressive might bite :)
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Posted 2010-October-16, 21:17

Flameous there is no progressive squeeze on West in your example. If you pitch a club on the 4th diamond he can do the same, then your hand is squeezed in front of West when the T is cashed.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-October-16, 21:52

looks like we need 3-3 hearts, assuming W has QJ spades and started with AQJ of clubs, we will have a delightful squeeze on West in our 3 card ending.

North will hold Axx spade and the 10 of clubs

South will hold K10x of spades and the 13th heart.

On the 13th heart west has to pitch their spade guard or pitch the club J, making 6 :)
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Posted 2010-October-16, 22:35

There are a number of ways to make:

1. West has stiff queen or jack of spades.

Finesse on the second round against east's spade honour and then you need either hearts 3=3 or a squeeze against west.

2. West or East has doubleton queen-jack of spades and either hearts 3=3 or squeeze

3. Hearts 3=3 and a squeeze against West with sole guard of the spades and clubs

4. Triple squeeze against west with sole guard in spades (QJ98 or any five), hearts and clubs.

5. Hearts 2=4 with west having JT, J9 or T9 and squeeze or short spade honours.

Cash the diamonds then you have to judge whether west has given up a heart or spade guard or whether hearts were always 3=3 or to play for short honours in spades.

Cash the suit that is running now and hope for the squeeze.

My feeling with nothing else to go in is that hearts 3=3 is the best hope. You can increase the chances by finessing in hearts if west shows two big cards.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 05:38

I'd probably duck trick 2 and try to go down 1 on a squeeze.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 06:58

hanp, on Oct 17 2010, 06:38 AM, said:

I'd probably duck trick 2 and try to go down 1 on a squeeze.

MATCHPOINT ALERT!
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Posted 2010-October-18, 04:37

655321, on Oct 16 2010, 10:17 PM, said:

Flameous there is no progressive squeeze on West in your example. If you pitch a club on the 4th diamond he can do the same, then your hand is squeezed in front of West when the T is cashed.

True, but how many West are good enough to discard a when that is clear to loose a trick, while any other card may not?
This is all much easier double dummy than single dummy.
Cash diamonds.
Now comes the tricky part: Are 3-3 all the time or has LHO come down to QJ doubleton?
If the former cash and squeeze LHO in the black suits if the latter cash and squeeze LHO in and

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Posted 2010-October-18, 07:03

cherdanno, on Oct 17 2010, 07:58 AM, said:

hanp, on Oct 17 2010, 06:38 AM, said:

I'd probably duck trick 2 and try to go down 1 on a squeeze.

MATCHPOINT ALERT!

I hope you know the old story about the guy who ducked the first trick in a grand slam, and then make a great play to go down only 1. This great player could never find another partner and was forever known as the guy who ducked trick 1 in a grand.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-20, 05:01

I think there was a story about him in 'Right Through the Pack' by Darvas I think it was the Ace of Diamonds.
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Posted 2010-October-20, 10:29

The pseudo-progressive did bite :)



The friend in question cashed 2 rounds of diamonds, 3 rounds of hearts before finishing the diamonds off (throwing a club), West threw a heart which is the only card that lets it through. He wanted me to post this just because he is fairly new to squeezes (in fact, I had only taught him the basics a couple of days beforehand)
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Posted 2010-October-20, 11:53

View PostCascade, on 2010-October-16, 22:35, said:

4. Triple squeeze against west with sole guard in spades (QJ98 or any five), hearts and clubs.
I like Cascade's lines. RHO may not understand the importance of hanging on to 8xx
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Posted 2010-October-20, 11:57

View Postnige1, on 2010-October-20, 11:53, said:

I like Cascade's line.


That line requires a lot. I am far from sure it is the most frequent option. Certainly it is not given just the two hands and I doubt the information from the bidding - the double - sways this enough. Nevertheless after cashing the diamonds you maybe able to read the situation.
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Posted 2010-October-20, 12:53

View Postmanudude03, on 2010-October-20, 10:29, said:

The pseudo-progressive did bite :)



The friend in question cashed 2 rounds of diamonds, 3 rounds of hearts before finishing the diamonds off (throwing a club), West threw a heart which is the only card that lets it through. He wanted me to post this just because he is fairly new to squeezes (in fact, I had only taught him the basics a couple of days beforehand)

Declarer should maximize his chance by not touching the hearts. Just play off the diamonds (pitching a club in hand). The only card west can throw to break the progressive squeeze is CJ, but with C10 in dummy and declarer's hand hidden, that defense is far more difficult than after declarer cashed hearts first. Even West found that defense, on C10 (declarer pitching S4), West is put to yet another test of pseudo squeeze: did declarer start with 4 spades ATxx, or 4 hearts?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-21, 00:10

playing for dummy to have a spade threat against LHO is silly. you would need him to have a singleton diamond [5413] in which case it would be obvious before you committed yourself.

plus LHO obviously has more than 3 clubs or he wouldn't have made such a ridiculous lead.
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Posted 2010-October-21, 08:53

View Postwank, on 2010-October-21, 00:10, said:

plus LHO obviously has more than 3 clubs or he wouldn't have made such a ridiculous lead.

You mean only his doubles are ridiculous?
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