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#21 User is offline   aguahombre 

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Posted 2010-October-15, 15:03

bucky, on Oct 15 2010, 02:24 PM, said:

gwnn, on Oct 15 2010, 10:08 AM, said:

I mean he can either pass or bid 5♦, it depends on his table feel. I don't like pass from him but bidding the 4 card suit???

It seems to be a recent trend to bid (a much weaker) 4-card suit with 4-6 combination.

that had to be said.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 15:07

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Posted 2010-October-15, 15:38

bucky, on Oct 15 2010, 01:17 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 14 2010, 09:11 AM, said:

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

What do you use 2NT for then? Natural?

2N is natural yes, these are our agreements;

1m (X) 2m 6-10 nf
1♣: (X) 2♦ Criss cross Limit Raise in clubs
1♦: (X) 3♣: Criss cross Limit Raise in diamonds
1m (X) 2N 10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers
1m (X) xx 10+ no fit, balanced
1m (X) 1M 1M here ignores the double, could be 4, could be less than 10 - similar to 1m (p) 1M

So I could have used 1♣ (X) 2♦
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Posted 2010-October-15, 17:57

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 03:38 PM, said:

So I could have used 1♣ (X) 2♦

Yes, but I don't think it would have accomplished anything on this hand, except eventually still having to make a decision over their 5D.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 18:51

aguahombre, on Oct 15 2010, 06:57 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 03:38 PM, said:

So I could have used 1♣ (X) 2♦

Yes, but I don't think it would have accomplished anything on this hand, except eventually still having to make a decision over their 5D.

Agree. With the actual distribution, it is not a time for science. I think the 5♣ bid is fine, an initial 6♣ has lots of merits too.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-16, 06:44

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

1m (X) 2N 10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers

What do you use the redouble for?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-16, 07:41

hanp, on Oct 16 2010, 05:44 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

1m (X) 2N  10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers

What do you use the redouble for?

no fit, balanced 10+ unsuitable for NT
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Posted 2010-October-16, 08:54

jillybean, on Oct 16 2010, 01:41 PM, said:

hanp, on Oct 16 2010, 05:44 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

1m (X) 2N  10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers

What do you use the redouble for?

no fit, balanced 10+ unsuitable for NT

I don't think there is a hand that fits this description
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Posted 2010-October-16, 09:05

Fluffy, on Oct 16 2010, 07:54 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 16 2010, 01:41 PM, said:

hanp, on Oct 16 2010, 05:44 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

1m (X) 2N  10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers

What do you use the redouble for?

no fit, balanced 10+ unsuitable for NT

I'm eager to see an example hand for this :wacko:

I should probably quit now but I will try to answer your question

xxx,xxx,AKx,Kxxx
Qxx,xxx,AKx,Jxxx
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Posted 2010-October-17, 01:39

jillybean, on Oct 16 2010, 10:05 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Oct 16 2010, 07:54 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 16 2010, 01:41 PM, said:

hanp, on Oct 16 2010, 05:44 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

1m (X) 2N  10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers

What do you use the redouble for?

no fit, balanced 10+ unsuitable for NT

I'm eager to see an example hand for this :)

I should probably quit now but I will try to answer your question

xxx,xxx,AKx,Kxxx
Qxx,xxx,AKx,Jxxx

But Kathryn, these hands ARE suitable for a 1NT bid.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 08:46

I think the hand is too good for 1nt
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Posted 2010-October-17, 09:06

The_Hog, on Oct 13 2010, 08:41 PM, said:

I guess I bid 6C, primarilly to try and avoid a double game swing. Who knows, maybe it will make.

Is that usually a major consideration at matchpoints?
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