[mike777]

Scoring: IMP

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This is bd 32 in the finals.

How do you and your fav partner bid it?

[Cascade]

1♦ 1♥
3♠ 4♣ Splinter/Cue
4♠ 5♣ RKCB/1 or 4
5♦ 5♥ ♥Q?/No
6♥

[Cyberyeti]

1♦-1♥
2N-3♣ (unbalanced GF, semi forced)
4♥-4♠ (1453/1462, keycard)
5♣-5♦(1/4, Q?)
5♥-6♥ (no)

Wrong slam, but would be better than 6N if Q♦ was missing.

[Fluffy]

1♣-1NT
2♣-2♦ (12-14)
bla-bla
bla-I have 4 hearts
bla-bla
♥Q?-No
6NT

[Cascade]

Fluffy, on Oct 14 2010, 10:36 AM, said:

1♣-1NT
2♣-2♦ (12-14)
bla-bla
bla-I have 4 hearts
bla-bla
♥Q?-No
6NT

Seems a little bit of a gamble when you could easily have a loser and then they cash a spade. (or even more than one spade)

[whereagles]

seems simple:

1♦ 1♥
4NT etc...
6♥

amazing that both tables reached doomed grands. Those guys must be tired

[mike777]

no only one table reached grand 7d other table in 6h...no one found 6nt.

[Cyberyeti]

whereagles, on Oct 13 2010, 04:55 PM, said:

seems simple:

1♦ 1♥
4NT etc...
6♥

amazing that both tables reached doomed grands. Those guys must be tired

7♦ can be made as can 7N, but you need some X-ray goggles I think (or the complete bluff line N actually played). Not sure exactly what the auction meant, but I assume some of the heart bids weren't natural.

[MFA]

I'm pretty sure we would end in 6♥ after a strong club relay sequence. In order to clarify ♥Q we will probably have to get beyond the point were we could settle in 6♦. 6NT is very tough to bid with safety, since it's terrible without ♠J.

How bad is grand slam in diamonds or notrumps anyway? It does have some decent play, since one can combine his chances in ♣+♥.

[RMB1]

No ♥ bids were naturall.
1♣ (strong) - 2♥ (any, bal, 8-11) -
3♦ (diamonds) - 3NT -
4♥ (RKCB ♦) - 4NT (1 or 4?) -
5♥ (specific K) - 6♣ -
7♦.

North came down to cashing a ♦ winner with
- 87 - A3 opposite - - - KJ10x
apparently playing for club finesse and a squeeze
but East threw ♥Q to keep ♣Qxxx

[Valardent]

1♦1NT*(GF balanced)
2♥2NTr
3♥*3♠r *(5422 or 64xx 17+)
4♦14624♠RKC♦
5♣not minimum and 0 or 4 KC in ♦ 6♦

[jdonn]

Cascade, on Oct 13 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

1♦ 1♥
3♠ 4♣ Splinter/Cue
4♠ 5♣ RKCB/1 or 4
5♦ 5♥ ♥Q?/No
6♥

On this auction or one like it, why wouldn't north bid 6♦ at the end? It must be an offer to play instead of a grand slam try since you are known to be off the heart queen. South would be happy to pass and you are in an essentially cold slam.

In fact maybe north should bid 5♠ or something. If south's clubs were KQJx there would be 13 top tricks on any breaks and 6♥ could go down so it has to be wrong to just bid 6♥.

(Yes maybe south could bid keycard directly with that hand but he may have had other intentions in cuebidding. It can be both difficult and dangerous to determine when partner would have bid keycard or cuebid.)

[Cascade]

jdonn, on Oct 14 2010, 12:12 PM, said:

Cascade, on Oct 13 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

1♦ 1♥
3♠ 4♣ Splinter/Cue
4♠ 5♣ RKCB/1 or 4
5♦ 5♥ ♥Q?/No
6♥

On this auction or one like it, why wouldn't north bid 6♦ at the end? It must be an offer to play instead of a grand slam try since you are known to be off the heart queen. South would be happy to pass and you are in an essentially cold slam.

In fact maybe north should bid 5♠ or something. If south's clubs were KQJx there would be 13 top tricks on any breaks and 6♥ could go down so it has to be wrong to just bid 6♥.

(Yes maybe south could bid keycard directly with that hand but he may have had other intentions in cuebidding. It can be both difficult and dangerous to determine when partner would have bid keycard or cuebid.)

Good point.

[rduran1216]

2♣ 2♦
3♦ 3♥
4NT 5♣
5♦ 5♥
6♦ 6NT

[mike777]

mike777, on Oct 13 2010, 02:23 PM, said:

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This is bd 32 in the finals.

How do you and your fav partner bid it?

even an old fashion:


1d=1h
4d=so.......gets me to 6h


I note no one at the tble or in the forum bid this way

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perhaps finding 6nt is too hard even in modern bridge....at the table...under pressure

[Fluffy]

Cascade, on Oct 13 2010, 09:53 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Oct 14 2010, 10:36 AM, said:

1♣-1NT
2♣-2♦ (12-14)
bla-bla
bla-I have 4 hearts
bla-bla
♥Q?-No
6NT

Seems a little bit of a gamble when you could easily have a loser and then they cash a spade. (or even more than one spade)

I have problems finding hands with 12 HCP where 6NT won't have 12 top tricks, at least if diamodns break. Maybe diamnds not breaking is the reason to play in hearts. But then you risk hearts not breaking, 6NT can maybe cope with any one of them not breaking so IMO its the % contract.

To make non 12 direct tricks (if diamonds break) with 12 HCP south must have ♠Q♥AJ♦J♣KJ a hand easilly downgradable to 11. But if he has 13 or 14 I think 6NT will always be better than 6 red.


I forgot to mention that on the blablabla south shows 2 diamonds.

[Fluffy]

RMB1, on Oct 13 2010, 10:47 PM, said:

No ♥ bids were naturall.
1♣ (strong) - 2♥ (any, bal, 8-11) -
3♦ (diamonds) - 3NT -
4♥ (RKCB ♦) - 4NT (1 or 4?) -
5♥ (specific K) - 6♣ -
7♦.

North came down to cashing a ♦ winner with
- 87 - A3 opposite - - - KJ10x
apparently playing for club finesse and a squeeze
but East threw ♥Q to keep ♣Qxxx

Is this what happened at the table? I wonder why anyone would show 8-11 with 13

[Cascade]

Fluffy, on Oct 14 2010, 09:31 PM, said:

I have problems finding hands with 12 HCP

Sorry missed that.

Quantitative bids so often make slam bidding easy.

[Zelandakh]

1C = 15-17bal/nat or 18+ any
... 2D = 9+, balanced or 3-suited, 4-5 hearts, 0-3 spades
2H = 18+ relay
... 2N = 4 clubs
3C = relay
... 3N = 3=4=2=4, extras (12+), 3 controls
4C = relay
... 4S = heart and club controls, no spade control
4N = relay
... 5C = no diamond control
5D = relay
... 5H = no secondary heart control
5S = relay
... 5N = no secondary club control
6D

Partner's hand is known to within a jack. There are no more than 8 hcp missing and partner has denied the SK, HQ and CQ.

[RMB1]

Fluffy, on 2010-October-14, 02:35, said:

Is this what happened at the table? I wonder why anyone would show 8-11 with 13

Sorry, 2H was 12-13 balanced

Otherwise, yes this is what happened at the table.
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