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1S or 2N?

Poll: 1S or 2N? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid

  1. 1 spade (4 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

  2. 2N (10 votes [27.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.03%

  3. 2 spades (23 votes [62.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.16%

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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2010-November-09, 14:23

1st seat, you hold

♠KQ75,♥K9,♦AKJ73,♣K8


1♦:1♥
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What is your bid now? Both vote and explain your choice please.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 14:33

2♠, since 1♠ is limited and I have more than the limit.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 14:44

Agree with 2♠. 2N advantage is to right-side what may be our best game, but that could still happen later regardless. But 2N might forever lose a chance at a diamond slam as partner likely won't anticipate 5 diamonds after we have shown both 4 spades and a "balanced" hand.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 16:15

I don't have strong arguments for one of the other, you'd better worry about bigger mistakes.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 16:50

Agree with 2♠. If you play 2♠ as artificial GF then you should play 1♠ as forcing so I would do that. Apart from the shape, it is too strong for a 2NT rebid (KNR = 20.7) so you should have opened 2NT if planning to bid that way.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 17:15

2♠ shows shape and strength...
2N protects my Kx in Clubs (which is the marked lead if I reverse)

Mark me down for 2♠ however, I don't have a strong objection to 2N
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Posted 2010-November-09, 20:26

I play 1S as forcing and so would bid that. If 1S were not forcing, I would bid 2S.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 20:50

I prefer 2NT - get it played from the right side, and get the strength specified fairly exactly - but it helps if partners are aware of this tendency so they will check back rather than just raise notrump when they have 4 spades.

I wouldn't fault anybody for preferring 2S if that's their style.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 20:53

2♠. By opening this 1♦, I made a commitment to showing this as a two-suited hand. I am much too strong for 2N here, if my plan was to show a BAL hand, I would have opened 2N to begin with.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 21:39

Yep, 2♠ not 2NT.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 21:54

2N. Good to play a 3♣ checkback here so you can backdoor into the major fits.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 22:20

2NT if you have a checkback available, 1♠ if forcing, otherwise 2♠.
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Posted 2010-November-09, 22:34

bd71 makes a good point about potentially missing a 6 diamond contract but I'm bidding 2nt as the best general slam chance, protecting my double kings in nt, spades (after checkback) or diamonds.

Right game, right sided may matter but probably not. I'm into making sure that any slam is declared from my side.

If we get some quantitative 4nt thing going, I can leap to 6 diamonds with this.

Of course if pard has AJ in both round suits, I've just wrong sided it but it won't be the first time, or the second or.......
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Posted 2010-November-09, 23:59

I bid 1♠ here, forcing. This bid was fine until we added XYZ (corrected).

1♦:1♥
1♠:2♣*

2♣ forces 2♦ which partner can pass, so now I am forced to bid 3N.
No big problem, I'm happy to bid 2n or 2♠ with this hand. I like 2♠
Are there any more catches to xyz ?
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Posted 2010-November-10, 01:16

Partner knows how to play bridge too. If it is right for us to bid NT, we will surely get a chance later. As pointed out, bidding 2N makes it difficult to reach diamond slam and also is an underbid.
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Posted 2010-November-10, 02:36

jilly, over 2C you have a perfect 2N rebid: maximum hand that is balancedish with 5 diams and 4 spades.
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Posted 2010-November-10, 03:39

I think mtvesuvius said it well.

Disagree with gwnn's comment, 1D, 1S and then 2NT is not enough. I might bid that with a 4252 16-count.

Jilly, it's called 2-way checkback (although in this auction it is often called xyz). 2-way gametries is something else.
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Posted 2010-November-10, 08:02

The thread title got me confused - voted for 1♠ before I noticed that 2♠ was actually an option. I prefer 2♠.
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Posted 2010-November-10, 09:34

View Posthan, on 2010-November-10, 03:39, said:

I think mtvesuvius said it well.

Disagree with gwnn's comment, 1D, 1S and then 2NT is not enough. I might bid that with a 4252 16-count.

Jilly, it's called 2-way checkback (although in this auction it is often called xyz). 2-way gametries is something else.


Thanks, it is XYZ, I've corrected that now. My other questions are about 2-way gametries which I will post in a seperate thread.
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Posted 2010-November-10, 12:00

I'm a "bid what I have" kinda person, so 2♠. Partner won't hog to 3NT without a good hand for it.
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