[matmat]

♠6
♥AT82
♦AQ8
♣AKT96

IMPs. all red, 4th chair.

[P] [space]- [space]P [space]- [P] - 1[cl]
[1[di]] - 2[sp]* - [P] - ?

2♠ was a fit-jump.
what call do you make here?

if you bid 2nt here RHO continues with 3♦ and that comes back around to you.
if you bid 3nt, you play it there.
What are 3♥ and 3♦ here?

[Phil]

I'm tempted to bid 6♣, but a slow red suit loser is a source of concern if we are off the ♠A. Seven is possible, but 6 may not make.

I guess I'll start with 3♦ and see where things go.

[ONEferBRID]

jump to 4C ( Minorwood ).

[ I know, RKC is for wimps ] .

[gwnn]

6♣

[mohitz]

3♦. If partner bids 3♥, will bid slam. Else, i am content with 3N.

[wank]

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

[the hog]

This hand is definitely worth exploring. I will bid 3D and see what partner bids.

[mike777]

matmat, on Sep 5 2010, 01:16 PM, said:

♠6
♥AT82
♦AQ8
♣AKT96

IMPs. all red, 4th chair.

[P] [space]- [space]P [space]- [P] - 1[cl]
[1[di]] - 2[sp]* - [P] - ?

2♠ was a fit-jump.
what call do you make here?

if you bid 2nt here RHO continues with 3♦ and that comes back around to you.
if you bid 3nt, you play it there.
What are 3♥ and 3♦ here?

3d as usual with a tough hand...cue or double may help

[Phil]

wank, on Sep 5 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

[TimG]

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

wank, on Sep 5 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here  - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I doubt it shows the same thing for everybody, if it did this would be a much easier problem. It would be useful if we knew what kind of suit quality requirements we have for a passed hand fit bid, but I expect if we had solid agreements matmat would have told us.

[neilkaz]

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 02:35 PM, said:

I'm tempted to bid 6♣, but a slow red suit loser is a source of concern if we are off the ♠A. Seven is possible, but 6 may not make.

I guess I'll start with 3♦ and see where things go.

Not tempted to bid 6 just yet since perhaps there's stuff in pard's hand sort of wasted opposite my stiff.

3♦ slowing down the bidding with good hands as there's plenty of room to get some cooperation and exploration done before trying for 12 tricks and it seems the K♦ is offside.

[neilkaz]

mohitz, on Sep 5 2010, 04:04 PM, said:

3♦. If partner bids 3♥, will bid slam. Else, i am content with 3N.

If partner bids 3♥ I still think I need more info since I am still unsure who has the ace of ♠ and the K♦ is almost guaranteed to be offside.

[Cyberyeti]

TimG, on Sep 5 2010, 10:36 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

wank, on Sep 5 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here  - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I doubt it shows the same thing for everybody, if it did this would be a much easier problem. It would be useful if we knew what kind of suit quality requirements we have for a passed hand fit bid, but I expect if we had solid agreements matmat would have told us.

Also depends what your club shows (2,3,4 minimum) and whether partner needs 5 clubs for the fit jump and also what your 2 openers are (do you have an opening bid for 5-4 or 5-5 hands). Also how light your 1 openers can be, AJ10xx, Kxx, x, Qxxx we'd open for sure for example.

AJ10xx, xx, x, Qxxxx is not impossible here so a slam can be on, but for us, pretty much any 5-4 hand where a slam makes would have been opened, (and we probably wouldn't fit jump with the hands with a bad spade suit like Qxxxx, KQJ, x, Qxxx where it makes) so 3N looks good.

[aguahombre]

Ace of Spades and five clubs seem enough, since the fit-jump should be 5-5 (passed hand). My problem is: how does 3D get us to 3NT from my side if 3NT is right, and to 6C otherwise? Partner will not have a 3H bid, unless it has some artificial meaning.

Maybe that is the answer. 3S/3D with the Ace, and 3H without the spade ace. Don't think both of us would be able to invent and understand that at the table, or in this forum.

[Phil]

TimG, on Sep 5 2010, 10:36 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

wank, on Sep 5 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here  - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I doubt it shows the same thing for everybody, if it did this would be a much easier problem. It would be useful if we knew what kind of suit quality requirements we have for a passed hand fit bid, but I expect if we had solid agreements matmat would have told us.

Perhaps not, but partner should be aware of how lousy KJxxx / xxxxx is versus how good AJxxx Kx x Qxxxx is.

[hanp]

Quote

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I'd bid 3D followed by 3NT. If partner doesn't pull, I don't think he's 5-5. If he has the more normal 5-2-2-4 distribution, slam is unlikely.

[jdonn]

Phil, on Sep 6 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

partner should be aware of how lousy KJxxx / xxxxx is versus how good AJxxx Kx x Qxxxx is.

So good he could open the bidding with it!

[matmat]

p's hand:
AKxxx, K, xx 8xxxx
is this an opener?

also, would you really FJ on 5224?

[hanp]

Are you implying I lied?

Sorry couldn't help the pclayton reference. I would definitely bid 2S on 5224 shape, I think AQJxx xx xx Qxxx is very normal.

But I stopped playing support jump shifts into higher ranking suits.

[Cyberyeti]

matmat, on Sep 6 2010, 11:58 AM, said:

p's hand:
AKxxx, K, xx 8xxxx
is this an opener?

also, would you really FJ on 5224?

I would fit jump on 5224, but then partner's promised me 4 clubs, hence the question I asked earlier. If my club was minimum 3 and I opened 1♦ with 4♦/3♣ I would also fit jump as we're guaranteed an 8 card fit in one of the blacks.

I would open the hand you give, but wouldn't criticise anybody for passing it., AKxxx, x, xx, xxxxx is plenty for a small slam.

If however I played Lucas 2s or similar to bid my 5-5s, I'd definitely assume partner was 5-4 so would not do any more than 3N.