[fuburules3]

Sitting south holding

Scoring: MP

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Bidding goes

1♥-1♠-2♠-3♠-4♥-4♠-?

What do you bid?

If pass what would have to change to X?

If X, is partner allowed to pull or is this binding?

[655321]

1♥ (1♠) 2♠ (3♠);
4♥ (4♠) ?

I would bid 5♥. We have a 5th heart, and 3 small spades. Partner has at most one spade. If we had a spade card double would be more attractive. With spade shortage we might want to pass 4♠ around to partner instead, although this would not be a forcing pass for me.

[nigel_k]

Pass, not forcing.

It's quite unlikely partner has a doubleton spade, but even assuming he has a singleton 4♠ and 5♥ will both be down a lot of the time. I don't mind if he passes, doubles, or bids 5♥ and have no strong opinion myself about which will work best.

I don't mind 5♥ but I wouldn't double with a hand like this and would expect partner to pass the double unless he has a spade void or otherwise unusual shape.

[Phil]

Automatic 5♥. We aren't in a FP either.

[JLOGIC]

Phil, on Sep 1 2010, 08:45 PM, said:

Automatic 5♥. We aren't in a FP either.

yup

[bluecalm]

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Automatic 5♥. We aren't in a FP either.

Yes, assuming standard meaning of 2♠ (limit+) we are not in FP.
This is why many players incorporate different bids for exactly limit and gf. Some of them add a bid for mixed raise too.
The thing is that if you play standard 2/1 in competition is forcing one round, so:

1♥ - 1♠ -3♣/3♦/3♥ might all be used for different purposes.

One scheme could be:
2♠ = limit raise
3♣ = game forcing raise
3♦ = mixed raise
3♥ = purely preemptive

This is one area of bidding where I think standard shines comparing to what I like to play (NFB's so jumps have to be natural and strong).

[Codo]

Not a FP situation.

I would pass, wrong vul. and horrible shape for 5 ♥.

[hanp]

Agree with Phil, this is not a forcing pass situation and pass is horrible.

[ahydra]

Hmm, partner opened and rebid 4♥ - depends on agreements I guess (4♥ should probably just be competitive here), but are we 100% sure we're not beating 4♠? I guess there is a high probability of an opp holding a heart void - in which case it may be best to bid 5♥ - but that'd be a complete disaster at MP if we can take 1 heart, the ♦AK or AQ in partner's hand (he needs something for the opening bid!) and the ♣K, for example. [Then again, we may well make 5♥ in that case]

But for the same reason, double is too risky. Maybe this is one of those hands where whatever you do, it'll be wrong :/

ahydra