[fingolfin3]

Scoring: MP

Bidding goes:
1♠-(P)-1NT!-(P)
2♣-(P)-?

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Now what?

This is the kind of hand that makes me want to switch to 1NT semi-forcing...

[kenrexford]

2♦ as Bart for me.

[jillybean]

2♥ for me

[pooltuna]

pass you are not down yet but your chances of going down will increase if you keep bidding

[bluecalm]

What do you do with 5-3-3-2 ? Rebid better minor or always 2♣ ?
Anyway I think it's close between passing and 2♥. I need to think about it before answering.
Problem with passing is that you may be in 3-3 fit. Problem with 2♥ is that you may end up in 5-1 fit (partner is supposed to pass with 5-1-(4-3). I don't know what is more likely and I don't know how worse is playing in 3-3 club fit.

[fingolfin3]

bluecalm, on Aug 27 2010, 01:47 PM, said:

What do you do with 5-3-3-2 ? Rebid better minor or always 2♣ ?
Anyway I think it's close between passing and 2♥. I need to think about it before answering.

We play that you rebid 2♣ with 5-3-3-2 (and 3 clubs). Which, obviously, increases the likelihood that it's a 3-card suit.

[wank]

he was asking what you rebid with 5332 and a doubleton club

[bluecalm]

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he was asking what you rebid with 5332 and a doubleton club

Yes. Maybe it doesn't matter though and one should bid 2♥ anyway ? What do you think ?

[Gerben42]

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  2♦ as Bart for me.

Good for you. Perhaps not the right thread for this.
I think it's not close between Pass and 2♥. Take your medicine and pass.

[fingolfin3]

wank, on Aug 27 2010, 02:02 PM, said:

he was asking what you rebid with 5332 and a doubleton club

Oh sorry, wasn't aware that bidding a doubleton club was an option in 1NT forcing systems. No, we would bid 2♦, the longer minor, with exactly 5-3-3-2.

Looks like opinions are split between 2♥ and passing 2♣. I probably would have bid 2♥ if the suit was better (Axxxx or something). But now that I think of it, 2♥ might be the best option anyway. Opener can easily have 3 hearts (5-3-2-3, 5-3-1-4), and even a 5-2 fit in a major is probably better at matchpoints. It's only a problem if opener has only one heart, like 5-1-3-4 or 5-1-2-5 (oops).

At the table, I passed 2♣. Partner was 5-2-3-3 and managed to make it for +90 and a middling score.

[hanp]

2H playing donnbart.

[Siegmund]

Without special agreements I pass.

If we're playing 2C=2+, 2D=4+, that will make me much more nervous, but I still pass.

When the hearts get to be as good as QJT8x, I will consider lying with another bid.

[wank]

bluecalm, on Aug 27 2010, 02:25 PM, said:

Yes. Maybe it doesn't matter though and one should bid 2♥ anyway ? What do you think ?

i'd put dummy down pronto.

a 3-3 fit when we've got a singleton spade is unlikely to be a disaster and it will be difficult for the opps to defend.

if we rebiddintg 2c on 5332 i'd still pass. if partner's got that shape that's life

[the hog]

Looks like an obvious pass of 2C. Bidding 2H on this pathetic H suit is a joke.

[jdonn]

Definitely pass unless playing what han said.

[jjbrr]

Pass and pray.

[bluecalm]

You guys are passing because you think 2♣ is better contract on average than 2♥ or because you are afraid bidding won't end the auction ?

After thinking about it a bit more and generating some hands I tend to believe 2♥ is better bid at matchpoints (because often both partscores make). At imps it should be very close.
My opinion is not strong though.

[the hog]

Why am I passing? Because partner has shown AT LEAST 8 cards in 2 suits and may well have more. Bidding 2H on 5 to the J is absurd in this scenario. Partner should expect a decent suit, or at least a long suit for this sequence.

[JLOGIC]

bluecalm, on Aug 28 2010, 01:19 AM, said:

You guys are passing because you think 2♣ is better contract on average than 2♥ or because you are afraid bidding won't end the auction ?

After thinking about it a bit more and generating some hands I tend to believe 2♥ is better bid at matchpoints (because often both partscores make). At imps it should be very close.
My opinion is not strong though.

Both partscores making, you are very optimistic

I have no idea really, I don't have very much experience with forcing NT anymore, playing semi-forcing NT it is an easy pass. Seems like a good hand for your favorite thing...a sim! Hands like this show why I think forcing NT sucks

[pooltuna]

JLOGIC, on Aug 28 2010, 01:53 AM, said:

bluecalm, on Aug 28 2010, 01:19 AM, said:

You guys are passing because you think 2♣ is better contract on average than 2♥ or because you are afraid bidding won't end the auction ?

After thinking about it a bit more and generating some hands I tend to believe 2♥ is better bid at matchpoints (because often both partscores make). At imps it should be very close.
My opinion is not strong though.

Both partscores making, you are very optimistic

I have no idea really, I don't have very much experience with forcing NT anymore, playing semi-forcing NT it is an easy pass. Seems like a good hand for your favorite thing...a sim! Hands like this show why I think forcing NT sucks

so from the previous we can infer that IYO semi forcing 1NT semi-hoovers?