[Little Kid]

Scoring: MP

(Pass) - ?

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[bluecalm]

I've learnt that there are no "wtp" problems on this forum but this can't possibly by anything other than wtp 1♦ opening.

[jdonn]

Looks like 1♦ to me, it meets the rule of 20 and everything.

[Fluffy]

too strong for 3♦, with colours reversed it would be my choice.

[inquiry]

After 0 to 1 pass (as here) this is 100% 1♦.

After two passes, this would be a preempt to 3♦.

After three passes, this would depend on how light you open in 2nd seat. Note, I ignore the rule of 15 for 4th seat openings.

[neilkaz]

I clearly prefer 1♦ here. We are quite strong for 3♦ at these colors and have 8th ♦. 4♦ takes us past 3NT and while if 3NT makes 5 ♦ often makes, this is MP. 5♦ simply lets everyone guess and when the guessing stops we have often been set but against no game there way, IMO.

Nice enough hand to open 1♦ and rebid them a couple times.

[gwnn]

1♦.

in 3rd seat it's a tossup between 4 and 5♦. I think inquiry miscounted the diamonds (pro tip: you can count the other cards and the sum is usually 13).

[nigel_k]

5♦. Though we're in second seat this is a normal hand for a green 5♦ opening so partner will usually decide correctly if he has a good hand. We could be too high with nothing making but I won't necessarily be in a better position if they bid game after I open 1♦.

[mikeh]

1♦

While nothing is perfect, we have more chance to control the auction if we begin 1♦.....no diamond preempt is right...3N will often be the best mp spot if it is our hand, and if it isn't, well we can always bid diamonds once or twice more

In addition, if we have a slam, it will probably be easier to bid it after a constructive opening. I wouldn't worry much about slam in mps, tho.

[mike777]

Little Kid, on Aug 9 2010, 04:41 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(Pass) - ?

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1d no problem yet


OUr rebid maybe a problem.

[jdonn]

nigel_k, on Aug 9 2010, 06:28 PM, said:

5♦. Though we're in second seat this is a normal hand for a green 5♦ opening so partner will usually decide correctly if he has a good hand. We could be too high with nothing making but I won't necessarily be in a better position if they bid game after I open 1♦.

We must have different definitions of normal. Other than a long suit I see very little preemptive about this hand, with a suit to the A, outside Kx, one singleton and no voids, and in second seat. To me a normal second seat w/r 5♦ opener is more like - x KQJTxxxx QJTx.

[nigel_k]

jdonn, on Aug 10 2010, 12:52 PM, said:

nigel_k, on Aug 9 2010, 06:28 PM, said:

5♦. Though we're in second seat this is a normal hand for a green 5♦ opening so partner will usually decide correctly if he has a good hand. We could be too high with nothing making but I won't necessarily be in a better position if they bid game after I open 1♦.

We must have different definitions of normal. Other than a long suit I see very little preemptive about this hand, with a suit to the A, outside Kx, one singleton and no voids, and in second seat. To me a normal second seat w/r 5♦ opener is more like - x KQJTxxxx QJTx.

I don't like having the ace, but no void is fine as it helps partner to know which of his cards are working and there is no space to find out obviously. Maybe I am out of touch but green against red do I really need an 8-4 shape and 9 playing tricks? I'd open 5♦ red against green with that.

[neilkaz]

nigel_k, on Aug 9 2010, 09:01 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 10 2010, 12:52 PM, said:

nigel_k, on Aug 9 2010, 06:28 PM, said:

5♦. Though we're in second seat this is a normal hand for a green 5♦ opening so partner will usually decide correctly if he has a good hand. We could be too high with nothing making but I won't necessarily be in a better position if they bid game after I open 1♦.

We must have different definitions of normal. Other than a long suit I see very little preemptive about this hand, with a suit to the A, outside Kx, one singleton and no voids, and in second seat. To me a normal second seat w/r 5♦ opener is more like - x KQJTxxxx QJTx.

I don't like having the ace, but no void is fine as it helps partner to know which of his cards are working and there is no space to find out obviously. Maybe I am out of touch but green against red do I really need an 8-4 shape and 9 playing tricks? I'd open 5♦ red against green with that.

I am basically in Josh's camp here and while I think there's plenty of preemptive nature to this hand (don't hate 5♦ at IMPs in 2nd seat but still open 1♦ but won't criticize) we are playing MP and if we open 5♦ we won't often play the higher scoring NT.

10 tricks in NT outscores 5♦+1 etc etc.

[Codo]

I would never think about 3 ♦ with this hand. My choices had been pass, 5 ♦ and 1 ♦.
I guess I try 5 ♦ just because my last two 5 ♦ openings worked so well- of course they should not work in theory, but they did in practice.

[the hog]

5D for me also.