[peachy]

Pass. We don't have game and they are not making, not even close. If someone didn't have what they promised, then so be it. Pass.

[peachy]

bluecalm, on Aug 9 2010, 02:00 PM, said:

I have a problem here.
On one hand seeing you guys passing reasonable approach is to assume I may be wrong.
On the other hand I am so sure and this is so "lol so ezy" case for me that I mentally unable to change my attitude for now. It would be great if some of you who know some elite players could ask them about this problem and post.
I really want to be more open minded about this problem but for now I am just unable to

There have been posts in this thread from at least one elite player and from at least one other who is very good (I am not one of those two).

[jdonn]

peachy, on Aug 9 2010, 03:19 PM, said:

bluecalm, on Aug 9 2010, 02:00 PM, said:

I have a problem here.
On one hand seeing you guys passing reasonable approach is to assume I may be wrong.
On the other hand I am so sure and this is so "lol so ezy" case for me that I mentally unable to change my attitude for now. It would be great  if some of you who know some elite players could ask them about this problem and post.
I really want to be more open minded about this problem but for now I am just unable to

There have been posts in this thread from at least one elite player and from at least one other who is very good (I am not one of those two).

Gwnn is both.

[mikeh]

This one is easy.

I expect to be able to lead 3 rounds of trump before dummy can score a ruff, assuming dummy can even threaten a ruff. I have 2...count them....2 Aces, and partner wasn't playing me to have them..yet felt able to double 3♥.

Yes, we can (just) construct hands on which he'd double and they may make. Big deal. It is very easy to talk onself into silly positions (such as pulling) by focussing on a narrow but possible scenario, thus overlooking the far more likely scenarios where the opps have just volunteeed 800 against 400 or 500 against a partscore.

I suspect bluecalm is fixated on the mantra: never double a partscore into game at imps unless you have it beaten in your own hand.

If the opps never make a doubled into game partscore, you either have the best judgment in the world or, and this is far more likley, you don't double enough.

Put another way on this hand....after we (eventually) play 3 rounds of trump, where are declarer's other 4 tricks??

[Phil]

Case closed. When MikeH converts for penalties, it is 100% clear.

(he has a long history of not doubling part scores).

[bluecalm]

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(he has a long history of not doubling part scores).

Really ? He always seemed to me to be quite penalty happy. I remember at least one hand when he converted negative double which seems unthinkable to me.

[gnasher]

mikeh, on Aug 9 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

Put another way on this hand....after we (eventually) play 3 rounds of trump, where are declarer's other 4 tricks??

One of them might be the thirteenth trump.

[mikeh]

gnasher, on Aug 9 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

mikeh, on Aug 9 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

Put another way on this hand....after we (eventually) play 3 rounds of trump, where are declarer's other 4 tricks??

One of them might be the thirteenth trump.

yes, but if declarer started with 7 trumps, he rates to have a weaker hand than he would with a 6 card suit, hence partner's stuff will be better positioned, and if LHO has 4, he must have a flat and or bad hand (well, we know he has a bad hand) to simply bump one level with a 10 card fit....so while the 13th trump may well score an trick for them, it is that much less likely that they have 3 more tricks on the side.

[mikeh]

bluecalm, on Aug 9 2010, 04:08 PM, said:

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(he has a long history of not doubling part scores).

Really ? He always seemed to me to be quite penalty happy. I remember at least one hand when he converted negative double which seems unthinkable to me.

'always' is a long time....I don't know you...I doubt that you know me. So I'm not sure where 'always' comes from.

I did recently pass a 3-level negative double, with less than happy result, and think I may have posted it on the forum. Phil is correct in that for many years, I dreaded the notion of posting -730 or -470 or the like. I have, I like to think, outgrown that fear

Since few opps jump overcall, playing 'weak' with an opening hand....I think he bid 3♥ over my 1st seat 1♦ with x AQJxxxx Qxx Ax and caught his partner with K of trump and J10 tight in diamonds....that one example isn't going to dissuade me

[gwnn]

jdonn, on Aug 9 2010, 08:21 PM, said:

Gwnn is both.

♥

[aguahombre]

mikeh, on Aug 9 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

gnasher, on Aug 9 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

mikeh, on Aug 9 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

Put another way on this hand....after we (eventually) play 3 rounds of trump, where are declarer's other 4 tricks??

One of them might be the thirteenth trump.

yes, but if declarer started with 7 trumps....

I read the comment differently, suggesting hearts were 4-3-3-3 around the table, and that Declarer might have the remaining one, rather than partner.

[bluecalm]

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I don't know you...I doubt that you know me. So I'm not sure where 'always' comes from.

My opinion is only about your forum self of course and "always" refer only to posting history I am familiar with (not that long).