[JLOGIC]

http://www.coloradospringsbridge.com/PR_FI...PAGES/ALLPR.HTM

Meck is a full POINT ahead of 2nd with an astonishing 36.09 rating, that is just incredible, over a nearly 100 game sample too. Absurd. When I grow up I wanna be Meck!

Also maybe interesting is that Debbie Rosenberg is absolutely destroying all other women in this (as well as being tied for 3rd overall).

Obv this thing is not perfect at all and doesn't really mean anything but I just thought it was funny that even a random imperfect system knows that meck owns everyone

[bluecalm]

How is it calculated ?
Meck is by far my favorite player. I watched like few thousand hands from vu archives from his perspective (with all other cards hidden trying to guess his actions).
When I play I often ask myself "what would Meck do"

[jjbrr]

rodwell is #47!?

[JLOGIC]

jjbrr, on Aug 7 2010, 05:12 AM, said:

rodwell is #47!?

rod sux.

Heh, honestly rod is being brought down a lot by his partner (meck) having such a high rating, which gives his average partnerships a much higher rating.

[JLOGIC]

bluecalm, on Aug 7 2010, 05:10 AM, said:

How is it calculated ?
Meck is by far my favorite player. I watched like few thousand hands from vu archives from his perspective (with all other cards hidden trying to guess his actions).
When I play I often ask myself "what would Meck do"

This is for you then:

http://www.coloradospringsbridge.com/PR_FI...EB/S4580699.HTM

Meckstroths personal summary. 59.48 % average in 6.44 difficulty games, with avg 29.83 partners.

For reference, eddie wold (who is 2nd), averages the same 59.48, but in something like 2.02 difficulty! Wold has a much lower average partner though, but still keeping up such a high average in high degree of difficulty is tough!

[dicklont]

bluecalm, on Aug 7 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

.. I watched like few thousand hands from vu archives from his perspective (with all other cards hidden trying to guess his actions)...

How do you do that?
Can I do that too?

[bluecalm]

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How do you do that?
Can I do that too?

1)Find interesting event like spingold final, usbf, bermuda bowl etc.
2)Download .lin files from either vugraph project webpage or from bbo vugraph archives.
3)Format every file that way that you add |pg| tag before every |pc| tag and every |mb| tag; good text editor will do that for you
4)open formated files using old bbo client;
5)click on your chosen player's name, all other hands will disappear
6)click "next" , "next" etc, stop when your favorite player is to play; try to guess what he bids/plays and click "next".
7) repeat !
...
8)see why you are not Meckstroth or Versace yet !

I have almost all MR hands available from vugraph from this century formatted that way on my hd so if you have problems with those steps pm me and I can email them to you.

[dicklont]

Thanks a lot.
I'll first try your 8-step program.

Step 8: when I understand why that's progress, but "yet" will always remain "ever"

[rogerclee]

Meckstroth's matchpoint record in national pair games is really absurd to me. Being able to average 57% in events like the Blues, LMP, etc, is ridiculous; 60% for almost anyone would be a huge set, but apparently for Meckwell it is only a bit above average. This means that the difference in ability between Meckwell and the field in the blue ribbon pairs is about the difference in ability between a strong expert and an average pair in a regional pair game. It is also ridiculous that he was able to average 56% in national pair games with Perry Johnson, who is a reasonable but by no means world class player.

For reference, someone like Fred, who is one of the most successful players in the country, averages about 55% with his regular partner Brad Moss, which I am sure is one of the strongest longterm performances for an American pair. A pair of strong experts could expect to average about 52% in 3-day pair events in the long term.

[bluecalm]

It's a pity there isn't much (any ?) vugraph history of Meckwell playign matchpoints.
I wonder how different is MP play than IMP play.

[dkharty]

rogerclee, on Aug 7 2010, 08:30 AM, said:

...Perry Johnson, who is a reasonable but by no means world class player.

Perry is ranked as a World International Master by the WBF, currently #258 in the world. Tough standards!

[qwery_hi]

JLOGIC, on Aug 7 2010, 02:17 AM, said:

bluecalm, on Aug 7 2010, 05:10 AM, said:

How is it calculated ?
Meck is by far my favorite player. I watched like few thousand hands from vu archives from his perspective (with all other cards hidden trying to guess his actions).
When I play I often ask myself "what would Meck do"

This is for you then:

http://www.coloradospringsbridge.com/PR_FI...EB/S4580699.HTM

Meckstroths personal summary. 59.48 % average in 6.44 difficulty games, with avg 29.83 partners.

For reference, eddie wold (who is 2nd), averages the same 59.48, but in something like 2.02 difficulty! Wold has a much lower average partner though, but still keeping up such a high average in high degree of difficulty is tough!

Meck's best game was with James Gleick, author of a fine Feynman biography.

[kayin801]

Worst game since AUGUST 2008 (2 years!!!): 46.56%

... goddammit

[rogerclee]

dkharty, on Aug 7 2010, 08:26 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Aug 7 2010, 08:30 AM, said:

...Perry Johnson, who is a reasonable but by no means world class player.

Perry is ranked as a World International Master by the WBF, currently #258 in the world. Tough standards!

lol

[rogerclee]

kayin801, on Aug 7 2010, 05:08 PM, said:

Worst game since AUGUST 2008 (2 years!!!): 46.56%

... goddammit

In a national pair game! There are many good players who could play 100 sessions at an average club and never go below 46.56.

[NickRW]

rogerclee, on Aug 8 2010, 12:21 AM, said:

kayin801, on Aug 7 2010, 05:08 PM, said:

Worst game since AUGUST 2008 (2 years!!!): 46.56%

... goddammit

In a national pair game! There are many good players who could play 100 sessions at an average club and never go below 46.56.

Don't agree. You never had to play with headache - or something else that puts you off your game - plus everyone - and I mean everyone - sooner or later runs into a streak of bad beats. The fact that a given individual or pair has one session under whatever blah score is meaningless in the long term.

Nick

[barmar]

jjbrr, on Aug 7 2010, 06:12 AM, said:

rodwell is #47!?

What I think this means is that Jeff plays a little better than Eric when they're not playing with each other.

[JanM]

What exactly is this list? There are a lot of good and not-so-good players on it, and there are some numbers that I don't understand. Apparently it has something to do with matchpoint performance? How do they choose whether to include someone on the list?

[inquiry]

JanM, on Aug 7 2010, 11:46 PM, said:

What exactly is this list? There are a lot of good and not-so-good players on it, and there are some numbers that I don't understand. Apparently it has something to do with matchpoint performance? How do they choose whether to include someone on the list?

Doubt it will help much, but here is an explaination of the power ratings....

http://www.colorados...LES/EXPLAIN.HTM

you can go to the main webpage and punch around in it under tournaments to find more info on it as well.

[TimG]

JanM, on Aug 7 2010, 11:46 PM, said:

What exactly is this list? There are a lot of good and not-so-good players on it, and there are some numbers that I don't understand. Apparently it has something to do with matchpoint performance? How do they choose whether to include someone on the list?

From what I have read, results from NABC pair games are included. But, one of the requirements for making the list is that a player must play at least 12 sessions with someone other than their regular partner. So, those players who always (or virtually always) play with the same partner won't appear on the list.