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To splinter or not to splinter?

Poll: Response to partner's 1H opener? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Response to partner's 1H opener?

  1. 2D (12 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  2. 4C (12 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  3. other (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 User is offline   Bbradley62 

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Posted 2010-July-16, 18:37

Scoring: XIMP

Playing 2/1

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Posted 2010-July-16, 18:47

Splinter 3
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Posted 2010-July-16, 18:53

Jilly: Is your 3 the same as "standard" 4 splinter, or somehow different? Thanks.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 18:53

Looks like a nice hand for 2 followed by a 4 jump, showing a splinter with a good suit.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 18:58

I choose the AKQXX to show. Seems like a nice feature of the hand. 2/1 gives plenty of time if we don't jump around every time we can.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 19:06

Furlan, on Jul 16 2010, 07:53 PM, said:

Looks like a nice hand for 2 followed by a 4 jump, showing a splinter with a good suit.

Agree, I usually have 3 trumps to bid that way but seems fine to treat xxxx that way.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 21:18

4C and 2D are both fine, I'd choose 2D.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 21:25

I'd bid 4C, I think 2D won't help partner evaluate.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 00:16

Bbradley62, on Jul 16 2010, 05:53 PM, said:

Jilly: Is your 3 the same as "standard" 4 splinter, or somehow different? Thanks.

No, I posted before rushing out to the club tonight - its a typo 4
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Posted 2010-July-17, 00:45

Is 4 not Gerber? :)

A splinter here could be problematic if your methods do not include last train or similar as over 4 the only step available is 4 and partner will often have no diamond control. With a moderate hand partner maybe reluctant to bid beyond 4.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 03:36

4. The suit is useful, but it's solid so no need for partner to evaluate his hand based on . But the shortage and a sure 4th trump is way more useful to partner imo.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 09:16

Thanks for your replies. I prefer 2 but wouldn't complain if partner bid 4. Still trying to figure out "modern" style...
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Posted 2010-July-17, 09:55

Bbradley62, on Jul 16 2010, 07:37 PM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

Playing 2/1

choices look to be Jacoby 2NT, 2, and 4 without an initial discussion and which is why you need one to differentiate all the possible support hands I prefer 4 to show this type of hand
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Posted 2010-July-17, 10:06

pooltuna, on Jul 17 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

choices look to be Jacoby 2NT, 2, and 4 without an initial discussion and which is why you need one to differentiate all the possible support hands I prefer 4 to show this type of hand

hmmm... I'd specify that Jacoby 2NT denies the ability to splinter or to bid your own suit first.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 10:17

Free, on Jul 17 2010, 04:36 AM, said:

4. The suit is useful, but it's solid so no need for partner to evaluate his hand based on . But the shortage and a sure 4th trump is way more useful to partner imo.

My thought exactly.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 11:28

jdonn, on Jul 16 2010, 07:06 PM, said:

Furlan, on Jul 16 2010, 07:53 PM, said:

Looks like a nice hand for 2 followed by a 4 jump, showing a splinter with a good suit.

Agree, I usually have 3 trumps to bid that way but seems fine to treat xxxx that way.

With this approach, responder has it both ways (showing both relevant features of the hand). The comments about 2D not being useful are a bit strange. Responder is telling, not asking; 2D is not "help suit" on this sequence, it is a strong suit.

However, change the pointed suits around and I would probably bid 4C immediately. Two reasons: auctions which start 1-1 suck; and Cascade's Last Train consideration would become moot.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 12:36

I voted 4C but wouldn't fault a partner who chose to bid it the other way.
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