[mike777]

p=p=1c=p
1d=(1s)=x=(2s)
2nt?


what does 2nt show?

[hanp]

Natural invitational obviously.

<ducks for gnasher and aquahombr>

By the way, I prefer double to show 4 hearts, not a support double.

[JLOGIC]

hanp, on Jul 15 2010, 10:48 PM, said:

By the way, I prefer double to show 4 hearts, not a support double.

I thought this method was an artifact from the days when people bid up the line. If you bypass diamonds to bid 1H this method doesn't seem very useful at all, whereas support Xs can be very useful.

[inquiry]

I prefer kong diamonds and shorter club support, pick a minor. With five clubs, he would just bid 3C. It might be as short as three good clubs, but I expect four. With any hand that would bid 2NT, I would simply double 2S, they are both passed hands after all.

Like han, I want the double to show hearts, and here the 2NT bidder is having none of that. With my mother, however, the 2NT bid would show exactly what han said...

[aguahombre]

since we are given no alert of the double, the preferred support double was not what it was....or were sandbagged.

And if it showed 4 hearts, or some other snapdragon variation, it also should have been told to us.

Therefore, what 2NT is depends on what double is. If the double is some kind of big hand with spades, then 2NT must be very short of spades ---maybe like delay unusual, with a weak 6d and four clubs.

[mike777]

hanp, on Jul 15 2010, 10:48 PM, said:

Natural invitational obviously.

<ducks for gnasher and aquahombr>

By the way, I prefer double to show 4 hearts, not a support double.

not sure what x is but I had:

support x in d
4 really good h
takeout....

[BillPatch]

In SAYC I believe the book interpretation of opener's second round double is penalty, 2 NT by responder then would be natural and invitationala suggestion to play NT with a full passed hand with stoppers in the red suits. (Opener has promised values in the blacks.)

Most 2/1 styles use opener's second round double as conventional.
3 main types-promising a 4 card heart suit, a three card diamond raise, or a general takeout.

The Bridge World's polls suggest that standard expert practice in the specific auction ending with this double only the opener has promised a 4 card heart suit.

Regardless of specific convention, 2NT then would be natural and invitational with a spade stop or two.

These conventions require an alert. If partner alerted we would not hear. If we don't know our own system and we failed to alert, we wuld not find out until 1. we remembered, and /or 2. too late.

[aguahombre]

Certainly at the table, we would not be allowed to hear an alert....But, in a forum --in order to answer a question ---we get to know what the auction meant preceeding the problem.

If it was a support or snapdragon double, that is fine. But it should not be a secret in the post.

[mike777]

aguahombre, on Jul 15 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

Certainly at the table, we would not be allowed to hear an alert....But, in a forum --in order to answer a question ---we get to know what the auction meant preceeding the problem.

If it was a support or snapdragon double, that is fine.  But it should not be a secret in the post.

no alerts..no agreements....you just met this guy....ten seconds ago...bbo
please assume no secret agreements....

anyway thanks...I played it scramble

as it turned out....passing 2nt wouldbe bad.....

scramble almost saved us but i guess I made another error....that error cost me 7imps and a ban and being swore at... by the opp who set up tg

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