[OleBerg]

gwnn, on Jun 29 2010, 10:24 AM, said:

Personal fouls around the table:

W: 1 (I assume they play strong NT)

Not really. The hand is very suit-oriented, and I can hardly have a rebid problem. (Especially if my agreements are, that such hand can opened one of a suit. The style is absolutely playable in pairs.)

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N: 2

Definitely.

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E: 0.5 (normally you want to bid your 4 card suit but at MP it works often to conceal it)

Agree. Exchange the Majors, and I find 3♦ clearcut.

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S: 1

Like already stated, I disagree.

[gwnn]

I am not happy to open 4252 either with 1NT, let alone 4243 ugh now I'm supposed to bid my suits just because I have AKQx? Next is AKT9 and then.. And what happens with 2NT openers then? Almost all of them will have AKQx or AKJxx..

[whereagles]

Last time I acted on a hand like this LHO was 18-19 balanced, redoubled and when the smoke cleared I was -1100 down... LOL.

That was a long time ago, but I still remember eheh.

[OleBerg]

whereagles, on Jun 29 2010, 12:59 PM, said:

Last time I acted on a hand like this LHO was 18-19 balanced, redoubled and when the smoke cleared I was -1100 down... LOL.

That was a long time ago, but I still remember eheh.

But you might have forgotten all the times a marginal action payd off.

[OleBerg]

gwnn, on Jun 29 2010, 12:51 PM, said:

I am not happy to open 4252 either with 1NT, let alone 4243 ugh now I'm supposed to bid my suits just because I have AKQx? Next is AKT9 and then.. And what happens with 2NT openers then? Almost all of them will have AKQx or AKJxx..

I assume this is a reply to my post.

It is not because of AKQx, it is because the whole hand screams "suit-play" AND because you have no rebid problems.

This is MP's, and a diamond partial might easily outscore NT.

At IMP's it is another matter, I would be more reluctant to not open 1NT, as showing my strength is more importent. (Missed games are expensive, wrong partial not so.)

[cherdanno]

No rebid problem? What do you bid over 1D 1NT? Over 1D 1H 1S 1NT?
I would have thought none of the top 100000 players in the world would refuse to open a strong NT on a 4243 16 count, but I see I have to make an exception for Oleberg.

[gwnn]

but isn't the AKQ part that screams for suit play?

Would also AJxx Jx Qxxx Axx scream for suit play? (i.e. would you refuse to open it a weak NT?) I don't think so..

[whereagles]

OleBerg, on Jun 29 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 29 2010, 12:59 PM, said:

Last time I acted on a hand like this LHO was 18-19 balanced, redoubled and when the smoke cleared I was -1100 down... LOL.

That was a long time ago, but I still remember eheh.

But you might have forgotten all the times a marginal action payd off.

Not quite. My pard once had something like 4414 and 5 hcp and heard opps (Brogeland/Saur, mind you) bidding:

(3♦) dbl (4♦) ??

and tried a responsive double, finding me with a decent 15 and 4♥ making easy for a 10 imps gain.

Ok, so his action was marginal, but he did have the shape to make up for it. "All marginals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

[OleBerg]

cherdanno, on Jun 29 2010, 01:53 PM, said:

No rebid problem? What do you bid over 1D 1NT? Over 1D 1H 1S 1NT?
I would have thought none of the top 100000 players in the world would refuse to open a strong NT on a 4243 16 count, but I see I have to make an exception for Oleberg.

Flattery will get you nowhere. (Anyway, Marshall Miles advocate this style too, so that makes two of us.)

I pass. I don't consider it a problem. Of course it might go wrong, but it might go right too.

Passing, and the involved risk, is a part of the pro's and con's of opening 1♦.

The risk is not high, as I will be sure to play in the right denomination. A missed 55% 3NT might easily turn out good.

If I face notorious misdefenders I might invite, and if I play in a field of highly varying strength, I will be more reluctant to open 1♦.

But against equals, slightly worse or betters, I see no problem with a style that can choose to open 1♦

[OleBerg]

gwnn, on Jun 29 2010, 01:55 PM, said:

but isn't the AKQ part that screams for suit play?

It is part of it. But on the OP's hand, so large a percentage of our points points towards suit-play. Not so on your hand. Also, the ♠J is a notorious NT-value

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Would also AJxx Jx Qxxx Axx scream for suit play? (i.e. would you refuse to open it a weak NT?) I don't think so.

I wouldn't. But change the two J's to the ♦K, and I have no problem with 1♦. (In a 12-14 context.)

Edit:
Also, 1NT(12-14) has a preemptive value.
And with 15-17 you go to game more often. Of course you tell the opponents something too, but you always do that, when you explore carefully.

[hanp]

OleBerg, on Jun 29 2010, 04:55 AM, said:

Not really. The hand is very suit-oriented, and I can hardly have a rebid problem. (Especially if my agreements are, that such hand can opened one of a suit. The style is absolutely playable in pairs.)

Say partner bids 1NT, what rebid shows a 1NT opener in this style?

[Fluffy]

I am curious if west found the endplay or the triple spade finese.

oh wait partner played ruff& discard again

[bluecalm]

Very simple hand.
While S's double was certainly very aggressive and maybe just insane it has some ways to win and can't lose that much on average. Maybe even 4♥ down one will beat -110 in 3♦.

N's pass is just crazy. It would be bad at equal vulnerability but at red vs white it's one of the worst bid I saw in a while

Opening 1♦ with W's hand is difficult to judge not knowing the system they use. In standard 1NT is clear cut, how it is even a question ?

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no rebid problems

What about:
1♦ - 2♣
????

Where your carefully chosen agreements (whatever they are) just collapse... (again assuming standard).

[ONEferBRID]

zasanya, on Jun 29 2010, 02:22 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

1♦-dbl-3♦-dbl-p-p-p
Contract made 

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Thank you guys.Based on your replies I have promised my Partner that next time I will not double on 3 hcp whether at mps or imps.But I still think....

I don't understand the North hand converting the Responsive DBL to penalty ...knowing your side has a 10 card ♥ fit ( via the Responsive DBL showing both majors ) thereby rendering even the ♥A as possibly worthless ( and the ♥K as definietly worthless) on defense .

[phil_20686]

also, no one has pointed out yet that it looks like 3d should go off. how does declarer get more than 8 tricks? he must have somehow tricked north into giving away a rough and discard, but that seems to require some pretty unlikely card reading given the auction? playing the original doubler to be 1-6 in the majors?

i guess maybe a small spade switch would might clue in a declarer to pick up the spades but it looks a bit unlikely to me? what was the defense?

[neilkaz]

jdonn, on Jun 29 2010, 01:16 AM, said:

You can't act lol. If partner has extras he will double again!

Exactly...easy pass...need more for a resp X.

[zasanya]

phil_20686, on Jun 29 2010, 11:04 AM, said:

also, no one has pointed out yet that it looks like 3d should go off. how does declarer get more than 8 tricks? he must have somehow tricked north into giving away a rough and discard, but that seems to require some pretty unlikely card reading given the auction? playing the original doubler to be 1-6 in the majors?

i guess maybe a small spade switch would might clue in a declarer to pick up the spades but it looks a bit unlikely to me? what was the defense?

Very embarassing question phil.P opened ♥ A and shifted to ♠ (happens to be 2 yuk). Declarer took my 9 with Ace ;ruffed a ♥ and played ♦.P took J K A and Played ♥.Now declarer instead of pitching ♠ pitched a ♣ from hand and played ♠ and I played ♠ 10.
My only defence is it was acbl speedball and this was deal 2 and 4 minutes were left for deal 3 and I was so taken aback by Partner's 6 card ♥ not to speak of his ♦ AKJ that I just assumed Partner's ♠ was from Hx2 and he has to have Club A and my card didnt matter.Alas it did and how.

[Fluffy]

phil_20686, on Jun 29 2010, 04:04 PM, said:

also, no one has pointed out yet that it looks like 3d should go off.

its nice to be a no one, with some effort I might improve into a gwnn or something, but I'll have to work hard.

[dake50]

Doesn't S:x H:AKxxxx D:AKJ C:Q109 look like a 1H overcall,
then double 2S when that anticipated comes back?
Where then is the boundary between T/O dbl then suit VS. suit then T/O dbl.
Lucky this didn't explode into decide 5H or not against 4S-X.

[OleBerg]

hanp, on Jun 29 2010, 04:29 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Jun 29 2010, 04:55 AM, said:

Not really. The hand is very suit-oriented, and I can hardly have a rebid problem. (Especially if my agreements are, that such hand can opened one of a suit. The style is absolutely playable in pairs.)

Say partner bids 1NT, what rebid shows a 1NT opener in this style?

Pass or 2NT.