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Responsive Double Criteria?

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Posted 2010-June-28, 10:06

Scoring: MP

1♦-dbl-3♦-?
Opponents playing SAYC 3♦ alerted as preemptive

Your bid?
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Posted 2010-June-28, 10:10

looks like a pass to me..
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Posted 2010-June-28, 10:20

Yep, toys are fun only when your hand values match them.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 10:28

pass bro
OK
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Posted 2010-June-28, 10:41

When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose (except a partner).

Just pass.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 11:38

In principle this is a double at MP's. But you have to be sure partner is on the wavelength.

At IMP's pass is clearcut.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 15:36

Does partner know to reopen to let us land at 3-level?
Immediate action invites 4M on this 4441-3hcp??
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Posted 2010-June-28, 20:48

Criteria? Some HCP maybe?
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 21:01

655321, on Jun 28 2010, 09:48 PM, said:

Criteria? Some HCP maybe?

About 25 hcp are accounted for, preemptor cannot have much .Either P or LHO or both have a better than normal opening hand;Partner's hcp are better placed; you have 4 card support for one or both majors .
So how many hcp you need to have to double?If you pass what sort of a hand will doubler need to to reopen?
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Posted 2010-June-28, 21:33

Preemptor doesn't have a lot, but can easily have more than we do. Opener doesn't have to be bare minimum. The problem with the responsive double is that if it could get you to a good major suit partial, partner will bid four.

But if you belong in a good major suit partial, partner will make another double, and you then get to 3.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 22:23

aguahombre, on Jun 29 2010, 05:33 AM, said:

Preemptor doesn't have a lot, but can easily have more than we do.  Opener doesn't have to be bare minimum.  The problem with the responsive double is that if it could get you to a good major suit partial, partner will bid four.

Surely thats just a case of agreement.

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But if you belong in a good major suit partial, partner will make another double, and you then get to 3.

With our diamond holding, partner may have some lenght in diamonds, and might easily not be able to reopen.

You have all noticed this is MP's?
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- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

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Posted 2010-June-28, 23:47

I noticed that it's MPs, and I assume partner did, too. He probably also noticed that we're red against white. In addition to the other reasons for passing, the hand with the diamond length is usually better positioned to evaluate the ODR. He can diagnose our shortness and ruff bad diamonds on offense, or smack 'em upside the head with good diamonds on defense. The distribution is nice, but I have to say, doesn't seem like a close call to me. I trust partner to do something intelligent if 3♦ gets back to him and he has his fair share (or more) of the missing points.
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Posted 2010-June-29, 00:05

OleBerg, on Jun 29 2010, 04:23 AM, said:

You have all noticed this is MP's?

You have noticed this is bridge?

Ok, sorry, more seriously - what about being unfavourable at matchpoints is so different to being unfavourable at IMPs? Either way, we don't particularly want to compete unless we'll have chances of making 3M. Obviously, going one off at pairs can be a good board if they are making 3D; It can also be a terrible board if they find a double, or we may drift two off undoubled.

Yes, you could agree to act on a hand this weak, but how is partner to know when to bid game if you could have this or you could have a hand two tricks better?
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Posted 2010-June-29, 00:16

You can't act lol. If partner has extras he will double again!
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Posted 2010-June-29, 01:11

OleBerg, on Jun 28 2010, 11:23 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jun 29 2010, 05:33 AM, said:

Preemptor doesn't have a lot, but can easily have more than we do.  Opener doesn't have to be bare minimum.  The problem with the responsive double is that if it could get you to a good major suit partial, partner will bid four.

Surely thats just a case of agreement.

It's not a case of agreement. You have to bid game when you get a 7 count? Either that or partner has no clue what to do at all if you act. Also if you are too high you are too high whether you followed your agreements or not!
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Posted 2010-June-29, 01:22

Scoring: MP

1♦-dbl-3♦-dbl-p-p-p
Contract made


Thank you guys.Based on your replies I have promised my Partner that next time I will not double on 3 hcp whether at mps or imps.But I still think.... ;)
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Posted 2010-June-29, 01:45

Whilst your responsive double was a gross overbid, I don't think that's the reason that you got a bad board.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-29, 02:16

I don't think your partner made one bad bid.
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Posted 2010-June-29, 02:24

Personal fouls around the table:

W: 1 (I assume they play strong NT)
N: 2
E: 0.5 (normally you want to bid your 4 card suit but at MP it works often to conceal it)
S: 1
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Posted 2010-June-29, 02:34

I think you're doing East an injustice. 3♦ was fine.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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