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Partner opens 1♥ and you get:
♠Jxxxxx
♥AQTxx
♦Ax
♣
Jacoby 2NT? (I play it with a balanced hand, but maybe you don't)
Splinter?
1♠ and later support?
Anything else?
How would you treat this one? How do you support?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:15
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:27
I hate these hands. I always get terrible results. I will try 4C.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:46
If partner has anything approximately a normal opening, slam seems all but assured.
I suspect that most of the hands where slam fail are ones where the opponents have two cashing Spade tricks off the top.
A simple 1♠ response would seem to
1. Provide us with the most room for exploration.
2. Potentially discourage a Spade lead
Looks like a win-win
Plus, after
1♥ - 1♠
2♣
I'm going to be able to establish a GF with a nice cheap 2♦ call
I suspect that most of the hands where slam fail are ones where the opponents have two cashing Spade tricks off the top.
A simple 1♠ response would seem to
1. Provide us with the most room for exploration.
2. Potentially discourage a Spade lead
Looks like a win-win
Plus, after
1♥ - 1♠
2♣
I'm going to be able to establish a GF with a nice cheap 2♦ call
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:55
At one table it actually was:
1♥-1♠
2♣-2♦
3NT-4♥
Pass
But I guess it's one of the routes.
What if you play 1♥-3♠ as unspecified splinter (i.e. not 4♣ directly)?
1♥-1♠
2♣-2♦
3NT-4♥
Pass
But I guess it's one of the routes.
What if you play 1♥-3♠ as unspecified splinter (i.e. not 4♣ directly)?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:56
In that case I bid 3S 
But what is 4C?
But what is 4C?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:59
16-17 VERY balanced, 3 card support.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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Posted 2010-June-25, 07:13
gwnn, on Jun 25 2010, 07:27 AM, said:
I hate these hands. I always get terrible results. I will try 4C.
IMV 4♣ tends to make partner captain when I think we are better placed to determine slam potential so 2NT to confirm ♠ shortage of if none a qbid.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 07:52
hrothgar, on Jun 25 2010, 01:46 PM, said:
If partner has anything approximately a normal opening, slam seems all but assured.
Has the original hand been edited since you wrote that? Kx KJxxx Qx KQJx is a 15-count which makes slam about 25%. Ax KJxxx Qxxx Qx is a 12-count where it's no play.
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A simple 1♠ response would seem to
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2. Potentially discourage a Spade lead
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2. Potentially discourage a Spade lead
Are you hoping for xx KJxxx x AKQJ10, or for xx KJxxx K Axxxx ?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-25, 07:55
Gnasher's post seems right, I'll agree with whatever he is going to bid.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 09:14
Can I do a big splinter via 2NT?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 09:29
hanp, on Jun 25 2010, 02:55 PM, said:
Gnasher's post seems right, I'll agree with whatever he is going to bid.
On this occasion it seemed easier to snipe at someone else's post than to form a sensible plan myself.
I think I'd bid 2NT, as long as that doesn't require partner to bid 4♥ with something like Ax KJxxx Kxx xxx.
This might get a bit messy, though. For example, if partner shows short spades, I'll want to know whether he has ♣A, but only if he doesn't have ♦K. And I don't care at all about ♣K, but I'm not going to be able to stop him cue-bidding it.
If he doesn't have short spades, I'll want to know the same, except that something like ♠AK doubleton without any minor-suit honours might be enough for a grand, or ♠AQ might make it a five-or-seven.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-25, 09:31
Agree with gnasher.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 11:22
I like the Jac2NT call too ( like gnasher ) . If a Spade stiff is found, you don't need many hcp with shortness-opposite- other shortness for slam. I wouldn't go Exclusion either -- your losing Diam could go on the Cl Ace.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 14:52
I would just bid 1♠ to try and go slow. I can go to the 5 level on my own, so I'm ok with this.
Who knows, maybe pard can raise spades?
Who knows, maybe pard can raise spades?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 15:18
Obvious 2♣. /Rexford
Tough hand, I guess I will try 1♠, but I could be convinced that 2NT is better.
Tough hand, I guess I will try 1♠, but I could be convinced that 2NT is better.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 18:21
2minor GF, so I can quickly get Q-bids I want to hear.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 19:00
dake50, on Jun 25 2010, 07:21 PM, said:
2M GF, so I can quickly get Q-bids I want to hear.
??? 2M ??
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Posted 2010-June-25, 19:08
Hanoi5, on Jun 25 2010, 07:15 AM, said:
♠ Jxxxxx ♥ AQTxx ♦ Ax ♣ - Partner opens 1♥
- 6♥ = 10 (Reduces chance that LHO will find the killing lead if OXO has say ♠ Ax ♥ Kxxxx ♦ Jxx ♣ QJx).
- 4♣ = 9. (Or 3♠ or whatever shows a ♣ splinter).
- 2N = 8. (Jacoby - because it may work when partner is short in ♠).
- 1♠ = 6. (But could deter a ♠ lead which you may prefer to a ♦).
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Posted 2010-June-25, 20:23
This looks like a hand where I need to get information from partner instead of a hand where I'd give partner information. I will choose to do that through a Jacoby 2N, and then hunt and peck for a spade cue-bid. Who knows, this might even confuse the issue so that I don't get a Lightner double for a spade lead in 6 hearts.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 21:18
Only Nige1 mentioned that, if there is a problem lead against 6H, it is most likely to be a ♦ lead, not a spade. So, if I don't choose the science of J2N, whatever inhibits a diamond lead will probably be best.
There are damned few constructions where all of dummy's spades can go away without a spade lead.
There are damned few constructions where all of dummy's spades can go away without a spade lead.
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